HINDU GOD BRAHMA AND HIS GODDESS DAUGHTER SARASVATI – WHERE IS THE LINE DRAWN BETWEEN A GOD WHO HAS FORCED SEX WITH HIS OWN DAUGHTER , HIS OWN FLESH AND BLOOD AND RUNS LUSTING FOR HIS OWN DAUGHTER AND A GOD WHO IS FREE IS PURE AND FREE FROM ALL SINS

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BEFORE YOU PROCEED IF YOU THINK THAT THIS SITE INSULTS THE GOD OR BHAGWAN OF HINDUS YOU ARE MISTAKEN ,

NO THIS SITE DOES NOT INSULT THE PURE ONE FORMLESS BHAGWAN/GOD  OF ALL HUMANS BUT IT IS THE HINDUS THEMSELVES WHO INSULT THEIR OWN PURE FORMLESS BHAGWAN BY IDOL WORSHIP AND THIS SITE CANNOT BE BLAMED FOR THE MISTAKES AND INSULTS THROWN AT THE ONE TRUE PURE FORMLESS BHAGWAN/GOD/ALLAH OF ALL HUMANS BY HINDUS  FROM THEIR VERY OWN SCRIPTURES THEMSELVES

THIS SITE ONLY PRESENTS THE INSULTS AND FILTH  WRITTEN

AGAINST THE FORMLESS BHAGWAN /GOD BY THE HINDUS  IN

THIER SCRITURES ACRIBING TO HIM A HUMAN FORM HAVING

SEX ,RAPING ETC ETC

IN TRUTH THIS SITE DEFENDS THE FORMLESS PURE BHAGWAN

OF ALL HUMANS AGAINST ALL KINDS OF SUCH FILTH

LET THE MOST SACRED SCRIPTURES OF HINDUS

THE VEDAS BE THE WITNESS AGAINST HINDUS IN

THEIR SHAMEFUL DEEDS OF MAKING THE

FORMLESS GOD INTO ALL KIND OF HUMANS AND

ANIMALS

Yajurveda
“na tasya pratima asti
“There is no image of Him.”

[Yajurveda 32:3]

\“shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”

[Yajurveda 40:8]

“Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
“They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
[Yajurveda 40:9]

Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.

FOR MORE DETAILS READ THIS ARTICLE

HOW HINDUS INSULT THEIR OWN BHAGWAN ( GOD ) ?

Brahma is one of the three main gods-Trimurti ( TRINITY )-of the Hindu pantheon.

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HOLY TRINITY OF HINDU’S FROM LEFT BRAHMA , VISHNU AND SHIVA

Brahma and Saraswati

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BRAHMA SARASWATI

Brahma is the creator of the universe, Saraswati, who became the wife of her own father, was the daughter of Brahma. There are two stories about her genesis in the

“Saraswati Purana”. One is that Brahma created his beautiful daughter Saraswati direct from his “vital strength” or seminal fluid. The other is that Brahma used to collect his semen in a pot whenever he masturbated fixing his carnal eyes on the celestial beauty Urvasi. Brahma’s semen in the pot gave birth to Saraswati. Thus,Saraswati had no mother.

This daughter or grand-daughter of Brahma is the Hindu goddess of learning. When Brahma saw the beauty of Saraswati he became amorous. To escape from her father’s passionate approach Saraswati ran to the lands in all four directions, but she could not escape from her father. She succumbed to Brahma’s wish. Brahma and his daughter Saraswati lived as husband and wife indulging in incest for 100 years. They had a son Swayambhumaru. Swayambhumaru made love with his sister Satarpa. Through the incest of Brahma’s son and daughter Brahma got two grandsons and two grand-daughters.

The above Expert taken from

AMOROUS GODS AND GODDESSES

“Prajapati(Brahma) desired his daughter( SARASWATI) and made love to her. This was a sin in the eyes of the gods, who said to the god who rules over beasts [Pasupati, Rudra], ‘He commits a sin, acting in this way towards his own daughter, our sister. Pierce him.’ Rudra took aim and pierced him. Half his seed fell to the ground. The gods cured Prajapati and cut out Rudra’s dart, for Prajapati is the sacrifice. To utilize [the seed], the gods said, ‘Take care that this may not be lost, but that it may be less than the oblation.’ They gave it to Bhaga to eat, but it burnt his eyes and he became blind. Then they gave it to Pusan to eat, but it knocked out his teeth. At last they gave it to Savitr [the sun] and it did not injure him, for he appeased it.” —

Ref : Satapatha Brahmana 1:7:4:1-7.

I WOULD JUST ASK ALL HINDUS THIS QUESTION?

WHERE IS THE LINE DRAWN BETWEEN A GOD WHO HAS FORCED SEX WITH HIS OWN DAUGHTER , HIS OWN FLESH AND BLOOD

AND RUNS LUSTING FOR HIS OWN DAUGHTER

AND A GOD WHO IS FREE IS PURE AND FREE FROM ALL SINS

AND FOR GOD SAKE ARE THESE MORALLY SICK godsARE GOING TO TEACH MORALS TO THE SOCIETY OR THEIR HINDU FOLLOWERS ?!!!

IF SUCH ARE THE gODS WHO NEED SEX WITH THEIR OWN DAUGHTERS TO PLEASE THEM THEM , WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF DEVIL DOING ANY HARM ?

WHEN THE WORK OF DEVIL IS ALREADY DONE BY THESE HUMAN SEX THIRSTY INCEST COMMITING gODS ?

HOW DOES A HINDU TRUST HIS OWN WIFE , MOTHER OR DAUGHTER WITH THIS LUSTY gOD ? WHO DOES NOT EVEN SPARE HIS OWN FLESH AND BLOOD DAUGHTER Goddes SARASWATI ?

LEAVE ALONE THIS gods PROTECTING THE FLESH AND BLOOD OF THEIR UNSUSPECTING SERVANTS !!!!

ONE CAN DO NOTHING BUT PITY AT THE EVIL FATED POOR SERVANTS OF THESE SO CALLED gODS !!!

OF COURSE THESE SERVANTS HAVE ALWAYS THE CHOICE OF CHOOSING NOT TO BE THE SERVANTS OF THESE EVIL gODS !!!

INSTEAD CHOOSING TO BE SERVANTS OF THE JUST AND LOVING ONE TRUE GOD OF ALL !!!

HOLY QURAN Surah 53. The Star

19. Have ye seen Lat. and ‘Uzza,

20. And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

21. What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?

22. Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

23. These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!

24. Nay, shall man have (just) anything he hankers after?

25. But it is to Allah that the End and the Beginning (of all things) belong.

Yet, they set up beside GOD idols from among the jinns(GENIE OR EVIL SPRITS DEMONS), though He is the One who created them. They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.

HOLY QURAN [6:100]

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  1. Posted March 8, 2008 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    During it’s early history, Islam’s suppression of local female dieties
    was not always a model of tolerance. The recent sentencing of a young rape victim to prison for “inciting” her attackers is appalling. Here in the U.S., the male leader of a quasi-Mormon (Christian) splinter group has recently been convicted of arranging marriages between adult men and very young girls, i.e., facilitating statutory rape. Incest is just one way that males subjugate females. When you live in a glass house, it is wise to refrain from throwing stones.

  2. Posted March 8, 2008 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    davidjcarney

    SAID THIS JOKE – LOL

    During it’s early history, Islam’s suppression of local female dieties
    was not always a model of tolerance. The recent sentencing of a young rape victim to prison for “inciting” her attackers is appalling. Here in the U.S., the male leader of a quasi-Mormon (Christian) splinter group has recently been convicted of arranging marriages between adult men and very young girls, i.e., facilitating statutory rape. Incest is just one way that males subjugate females. When you live in a glass house, it is wise to refrain from throwing stones.

    MY REPLY :

    Well David , all I can but LOL at your jokes, which are well worth laughing for , as these are jokes ONLY and none of them is a FACT , Islam does not have any diety beside ONE AND THAT IS ALLAH, please LOL wake up .

    There is no INCEST in Islam so where is the question of throwing stones and the Islamic glass house arise in the first place – may be you would learn something from your own RHETORIC “” DON’T THROW STONES AT OTHERS WHEN YOUR OWN HOUSE IS MADE OF GLASS “”

    Because when I am going to START expo- Sing INCEST IN THE BIBLE , YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE RUN OF YOUR LIFE .

  3. Raj
    Posted March 24, 2008 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Eve was born out of Adam’s ribs right…so she is his daughter right?

    When we speak of Brham and Sraswati its stupid to take them as people of flesh and blood…they are human repersentation of psychological/cosmic truths…..on these levels there is aboslutely no diffrence between what we call daughter or wife or mother….

    Saraswati is Brahma’s mother as well as daughter as well as wife as well as sister…meaning they are born of each other, born with each other and engaged with each other…..its like the leationship matter and energy or body and spirit or mind and soul…or ego and knowledge…

    The original mythology goes like this…

    in the beginning of the universe there was nothing but Brhama…brahma first felt “fear” because he was alone…then he thought there is nothing to be afraid of because there was no one but him…then he felt “desire” because alone there is no happiness…as soon as he felt desire for a second, his body divided into two – male and female….he got divided into two…and the male followed the female to unite with her…and through their union the world was created

    On a mathematical level =
    1 got divided into 1/2 + 1/2. Each half became a 1. Then thes etwo ones created all the craetion…..

    Got it…. well its not so easy to get…. a minimum level of intelligence is reqd to get it…

  4. Posted March 25, 2008 at 3:41 am | Permalink

    Raj said this Joke

    Eve was born out of Adam’s ribs right…so she is his daughter right?


    MY REPLY:

    YOU ARE HAVING DELUSIONS RAJ WAKE UP , NO SHE IS NOT HIS DAUGHTER , , DONT MIX YOUR GODS AND WHAT INCEST THEY DID WITH ADAM AND EVE !!!

    BEING CREATED BY GOD FROM THE RIB OF ADAM DOES NOT MAKE EVE ADAMS DAUGHTER

    , FOR WAS EVE CREATED FROM ADAMS SPERMS ? – NO
    SO THAT ENDS THE DISPUTE .

  5. Posted March 25, 2008 at 4:42 am | Permalink

    RAJ SAID :

    When we speak of Brham and Sraswati its stupid to take them as people of flesh and blood…they are human repersentation of psychological/cosmic truths…..on these levels there is aboslutely no diffrence between what we call daughter or wife or mother….

    Saraswati is Brahma’s mother as well as daughter as well as wife as well as sister…meaning they are born of each other, born with each other and engaged with each other…..its like the leationship matter and energy or body and spirit or mind and soul…or ego and knowledge…

    The original mythology goes like this…

    in the beginning of the universe there was nothing but Brhama…brahma first felt “fear” because he was alone…then he thought there is nothing to be afraid of because there was no one but him…then he felt “desire” because alone there is no happiness…as soon as he felt desire for a second, his body divided into two – male and female….he got divided into two…and the male followed the female to unite with her…and through their union the world was created

    On a mathematical level =
    1 got divided into 1/2 + 1/2. Each half became a 1. Then thes etwo ones created all the craetion…..

    Got it…. well its not so easy to get…. a minimum level of intelligence is reqd to get it…

    MY REPLY :

    Raj Wake Up

    Even Hindu Gods considered Brahama the creator to be guilty of OF Raping his own flesh Saraswati His DAUGHTER , THE OTHER HINDU GODS EVEN PUNISHED THE CREATOR BRHAMA FOR RAPING HIS OWN DAUGHTER !!!

    Do I have to tell you to read your own Holy Books again a Million times ?

    More of Lord Brahma’s (Prajapati’s) incest:

    “Prajapati desired his daughter( SARASWATI) and made love to her. This was a sin in the eyes of the gods, who said to the god who rules over beasts [Pasupati, Rudra], ‘He commits a sin, acting in this way towards his own daughter, our sister. Pierce him.’ Rudra took aim and pierced him. Half his seed fell to the ground. The gods cured Prajapati and cut out Rudra’s dart, for Prajapati is the sacrifice. To utilize [the seed], the gods said, ‘Take care that this may not be lost, but that it may be less than the oblation.’ They gave it to Bhaga to eat, but it burnt his eyes and he became blind. Then they gave it to Pusan to eat, but it knocked out his teeth. At last they gave it to Savitr [the sun] and it did not injure him, for he appeased it.” — Satapatha Brahmana 1:7:4:1-7.

    AND MAY BE RAJ IS TOO ASHAMED TO QUOTE THE WHOLE OF HIS HOLY HINDU BOOK Upanisad , THAT IS WHY HE HAS GIVEN ONLY HALF EATEN QUOTE FROM Upanisad ABOUT THE CREATION OF UNIVERSE

    “That first being (Prajapati) became afraid; therefore one becomes afraid when one is alone. Then he thought to himself: ‘Of what should I be afraid, when there is no one but me?’ So his fear left him, for what was he going to be afraid of? One is, after all, afraid of another. He found no pleasure at all; so one finds no pleasure when one is alone. He wanted to have a companion. Now he was as large as a man and a woman in close embrace. So he split his body into two, giving rise to husband (pati) and wife (patni). … He (Prajapati) copulated with her, and from their union human beings were born. She then thought to herself: ‘After begetting me from his own body, how could he copulate with me? I know — I’ll hide myself.’ So she became a cow. But he became a bull and copulated with her. From their union cattle were born. Then she became a mare, and he a stallion; she became a female donkey, and he, a male donkey. And again he copulated with her, and from their union one-hoofed animals were born. Then she became a female goat, and he, a male goat; she became an ewe, and he, a ram. And again he copulated with her, and from their union goats and sheep were born. In this way he created every male and female pair that exists, down to the very ants. … Then he churned like this and, using his hands, produced fire from his mouth as from a vagina. As a result the inner sides of both these — the hands and the mouth — are without hair, for the inside of the vagina is without hair.” — Brhadaranyaka Upanisad 1:4:2-6.

    EVEN THE FEMALE FORM OF GOD BRAHAMA WAS SO ASHAMED OF HAVING SEX WITH BRAHMA THAT SHE RAN AWAY, BUT BRAHAMA KEPT ON PURSUING HER AND RAPED HER AGAIN AND AGAIN A MILLION TIMES OR MORE TO PRODUCE ALL THE CREATION OR LIVING THINGS ON EARTH ???

    Please Raj my sincere advice to you , leave a religion which makes you fell ashamed of quoting your own holy scriptures , for a mans modesty is not greater than the modesty of God , for God in TRUTH is more modest than all his creation .
    And the Pure God is certainly NOT the Author of your NOT so holy Hindu Scriptures .

    Now having seen all those sex required by Hindu god to create all the creation in which the Hindu god himself participates every time , lets see how Allah created the universe

    Things exist by Allah’s will

    “When we decree a thing, We need only say: ‘Be’, and it is ”
    [Holy Qur’an 5:32]

    Only thing Allah need is to say BE and it comes into Creation

    That is the REAL PURE ALL POWERFUL GOD who created you and me

    SO THE CHOICE IS YOURS CHOOSE YOUR GOD !!!

    PEACE

  6. Prince93
    Posted April 13, 2008 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    I have a question for you. Doesn’t Chrisianity and the Bible agree that Adam and Eve were the first human beings on Earth? According to the Bible they had 3 children and we are all descended from them. So let me ask you this? If Adam and Eve are the originators of humanity who did their kids have sex with? Their mother? their sister? is that not incest?

    As for Brahma, he is the creator of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE and thus relationships cannot be imposed on him because they are not his flesh and blood.

  7. Posted April 13, 2008 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Prince93
    THE SHAMELESS AS HIS gODS SAID

    I have a question for you. Doesn’t Chrisianity and the Bible agree that Adam and Eve were the first human beings on Earth? According to the Bible they had 3 children and we are all descended from them. So let me ask you this? If Adam and Eve are the originators of humanity who did their kids have sex with? Their mother? their sister? is that not incest?

    As for Brahma, he is the creator of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE and thus relationships cannot be imposed on him because they are not his flesh and blood.

    MY REPLY

    YOU ARE AN DUMB IDIOT , I AM A MUSLIM , AND I DON’T AGREE WITH ALL THE TRASH AND LIES IN THE BIBLE YOU ARE QUOTING !!1

    YOUR GOD CAN RAPE IT IS OK !!! TO YOU — GET YOURSELF EXAMINED BY THE DEVIL , HE ALONE CAN HELP YOU NOW !!!

    YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ADAM AND EVE AND HOW MANY CHILDREN THEY HAD , SO SHUT UP !!!

  8. Prince93
    Posted April 13, 2008 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    WOW. first of all i dont believe in god and niether am I a Hindu. Well so you are free to quote the Hindu scriptures but we cant quote the Bible or the Qu’ran now:|. i mean that is pretty pathetic and anyway let me ask you this question. Yes I agree Brahma had sex with his daughter, but it was done in order to create the world. He repented for it later as you quoted before. And why are you even raising this issue? What’s the point of trash talking other people religions, their cultures and their faiths? And if you want to discuss atlease post in a mature manner without calling each other names or otherwise u just seem like an immature child.

  9. Posted April 13, 2008 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Prince93
    SAID
    WOW. first of all i dont believe in god and niether am I a Hindu. Well so you are free to quote the Hindu scriptures but we cant quote the Bible or the Qu’ran now:|. i mean that is pretty pathetic and anyway let me ask you this question. Yes I agree Brahma had sex with his daughter, but it was done in order to create the world. He repented for it later as you quoted before. And why are you even raising this issue? What’s the point of trash talking other people religions, their cultures and their faiths? And if you want to discuss atlease post in a mature manner without calling each other names or otherwise u just seem like an immature child.

    MY REPLY :

    YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN GOD !!!- SO YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT ANY RELIGION !!! – SO DON’T WASTE MY TIME COMMENTING ON RELIGION WHICH IS NOT YOUR REALM !!!

    YOU SEEM TO MAKE DUBIOUS COMMENTS ON QURAN , WHICH YOU HAVE NO RIGHT , FOR THERE IS NO SICK PORNOGRAPHY IN THE QURAN WHY ?

    BECAUSE ISLAM IS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION AND THE GOD OF ISLAM IS PERFECT !!! — GET THAT — OK I KNOW YOU WILL NEVER GET THAT BECAUSE YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN GOD — WHY I AM WASTING MY TIME ARGUING WITH YOU !!!

    THE REASON TO POST SUCH SICK MAN MADE PORNOGRAPHY IN THE HINDU VEDA IS TO SHOW PEOPLE THE TRUTH THAT HINDUISM IS NOT A TRUE RELIGION AND FOR GOD IS PERFECT AND HE CAN NEVER DO SUCH FILTH !!! — ANY WAY WHAT KIND OF MORALS THE HINDU SUPPOSED HOLY BOOKS ARE SETTING ANYWAY /??

    THIS POST IS TO OPEN THE MINDS OF IGNORANTS , OR THE DORMANT WISE HINDUS AS WELL WHO DESERVE THE PERFECT RELIGION THAT IS ISLAM IF THEY REALLY BELIEVE IN ONE PERFECT GOD .

  10. Abdul Rahman Alfasi
    Posted April 17, 2008 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    I have a question for you. Doesn’t Chrisianity and the Bible agree that Adam and Eve were the first human beings on Earth? According to the Bible they had 3 children and we are all descended from them. So let me ask you this? If Adam and Eve are the originators of humanity who did their kids have sex with? Their mother? their sister? is that not incest?

    According to Islam, Eve gave birth 2 pairs(4) of children. At first She gave birth to Gabiel & his sister. Second She gave birth Abel & his sister. At that time there was no people except them in the world. ALLAH ordered Adam to do the marriage between them i.e Gabiel should marry Abel’s sister & Abel should marry Gabiel’s sister. This was the only option where only three pairs of people lives in this world. This is acceptable to anyones knowledge.

    Raj I have a question to you. If god Brahmma creates world alone then god Shiva and Vishnu did in the mean time?

  11. bholu
    Posted May 8, 2008 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    i wonder u name urself sufi then u say ur muslim then u look around for hindu litrature in some stupid websites and without knowing the facts start blogs of this sort…. y are u so confused in life and worry about Hindu GODS at all , its all over and above ur bird brain.. so take it easy, relax and get some life..
    I am a beliver of ONE GOD, BHAGWAN, ALLAHA, or whatever you may call HIM, He is the sole truth..
    Already we ppl have divided our human society into so many religons, which were ment for our better living , but look at it now what we have done..
    Dont u feel folish by waisting ur time like this.. grow up buddy, there are so many better things in life to do..
    bye take care friend.. and do think about it again ..

  12. Posted May 9, 2008 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    bholu
    said

    i wonder u name urself sufi then u say ur muslim then u look around for hindu litrature in some stupid websites and without knowing the facts start blogs of this sort…. y are u so confused in life and worry about Hindu GODS at all , its all over and above ur bird brain.. so take it easy, relax and get some life..
    I am a beliver of ONE GOD, BHAGWAN, ALLAHA, or whatever you may call HIM, He is the sole truth..
    Already we ppl have divided our human society into so many religons, which were ment for our better living , but look at it now what we have done..
    Dont u feel folish by waisting ur time like this.. grow up buddy, there are so many better things in life to do..
    bye take care friend.. and do think about it again ..

    MY REPLY :

    BHOLU IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN ONE GOD THEN BETTER BE SURE IT IS NOT THE gods OF HINDUS BUT ONE GOD OR BHGHVAN WHO CONTROLS THE Millions of gods , EVEN THE ones who RAPES THEIR OWN DAUGHTERS .- PEACE

    MATURE UP AND LEAVE HINDUISM AND JOIN ISLAM THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION IN WHICH THE ONE GOD BAGHWAN IS WORSHIPED TRULY AND NOT OTHER gods ARE WORSHIPED ALONG WITH BAGHWAN TO MAKE MOCKERY OF BAGHWAN , .

  13. bholu
    Posted May 14, 2008 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    Yaar Sufi786 all religions are true but no religion is fullproof except that of Humanity, Love and Peace, which is the main foundation stone of all the religions.. YES I FEEL EVEN HINDUISM IS NOT FULLPROOF.. If Islam is FULLPROOF acording to you what is SHIA and SUNNI all about? why and for what do they fighting??
    The oldest religion is said to be Sanatan Dharma from which all the religions have come.. even Hinduism has come from it .
    Prophet Mohammed started the religion Islam.
    (Sufism was said to be there before Islam ..)
    Abraham or Ibrahim who is said to be the forefather of Christians and Arabs/ Muslims was also the founder of Judaism, which was again not fullproof thats why Islam and Christianity were formed.. Ever wondered what was the religion of Abraham’s parents or his parent’s parents ?? (I know u ull never DARE do that.)

    NOW HAVE PATIENCE AND READ FURTHER WITHOUT BEING ORTHODOX…… This is to ENLIGHTEN you up to the facts.. do read it..

    Brahmins were those people who were not born in a brahmin family but those how were learned and had knowledge of any subject to the core. Now what happned they became the preists and realised that they have a status above Kings in the society.. now they started rituals of various sorts like pooja, mantra jaap, sacrificing all sorts of animals and all that, for there own benifits, due to this the whole society divided into endless numbers.. corrupting the whole Hinduism. After this endless divison of society they still had the supreme status in the society and then they started giving so called HOLY-ORDERS (just like FATHWA) for there own benifits..

    This is the same what the MOLWIS are doing to Muslims.. please dont get carried away from there thoughts.. Be ORIGNAL don’t follow their stupid ideas of defaming other religions.

    I am not orthodox nor are my so many Muslim friends. They respect me, my thinking and my religion and i respect them, their religion and thinking..

  14. Posted May 15, 2008 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    bholu
    SAID

    Yaar Sufi786 all religions are true but no religion is fullproof except that of Humanity, Love and Peace, which is the main foundation stone of all the religions.. YES I FEEL EVEN HINDUISM IS NOT FULLPROOF.. If Islam is FULLPROOF acording to you what is SHIA and SUNNI all about? why and for what do they fighting??
    The oldest religion is said to be Sanatan Dharma from which all the religions have come.. even Hinduism has come from it .
    Prophet Mohammed started the religion Islam.
    (Sufism was said to be there before Islam ..)
    Abraham or Ibrahim who is said to be the forefather of Christians and Arabs/ Muslims was also the founder of Judaism, which was again not fullproof thats why Islam and Christianity were formed.. Ever wondered what was the religion of Abraham’s parents or his parent’s parents ?? (I know u ull never DARE do that.)

    NOW HAVE PATIENCE AND READ FURTHER WITHOUT BEING ORTHODOX…… This is to ENLIGHTEN you up to the facts.. do read it..

    Brahmins were those people who were not born in a brahmin family but those how were learned and had knowledge of any subject to the core. Now what happned they became the preists and realised that they have a status above Kings in the society.. now they started rituals of various sorts like pooja, mantra jaap, sacrificing all sorts of animals and all that, for there own benifits, due to this the whole society divided into endless numbers.. corrupting the whole Hinduism. After this endless divison of society they still had the supreme status in the society and then they started giving so called HOLY-ORDERS (just like FATHWA) for there own benifits..

    This is the same what the MOLWIS are doing to Muslims.. please dont get carried away from there thoughts.. Be ORIGNAL don’t follow their stupid ideas of defaming other religions.

    I am not orthodox nor are my so many Muslim friends. They respect me, my thinking and my religion and i respect them, their religion and thinking..

    MY REPLY :


    YAAR BOHLU , you made some interesting comments , but I must insist those are only Interesting comments but not the truth or the reality !!!

    First of all Prophet Muhammad (s) is the last prophet sent by Allah and he is not he founder of ISLAM , but Islam began right from PROPHET Adam (p) THE first man God created .

    GOD ALONE IS THE FOUNDER OF ISLAM AND NO MAN HAS CLAIMED TO BE THE FOUNDER AND CAN LAY CLAIM THAT HE HAS FOUNDED ISLAM UNLIKE HINDUISM AND ALL OTHER RELIGIONS WHICH ARE MAN MADE as you yourself have acknowledged that BRAHMINS for their own advantage made up hindu laws and inserted their fancy into which once might have been divine scriptures for Allah sent Prophets to all nations .

    Mind you fatwa IS RELIGIOUS RULING OF MOLVI AND IS NOT A PART OF QURAN AND NEITHER MUSLIMS ARE OBLIGED TO FOLLOW ANY FATWA UNLIKE THE HOLY QURAN .

    Quran which is the HOLY BOOK OF GOD AND HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED IN ITS ORIGINAL ARABIC FORM REVEALED BY GOD TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD(S) 1400 HUNDRED YEARS BACK .

    YES ISLAM IS 100 % FOOL PROOF FOR WE HAVE ONLY ONE QURAN PRESERVED IN ITS ORIGINAL ARABIC FORM UNLIKE GEETA IN WHICH LORD KRISHNA HIMSELF SATES THAT HE IS THE CREATOR AND SAFE GUARDER OF THE EVIL CASTE SYSTEM

    Lord Krishna in his Gita says

    “I am the author of the four `Varnas’ or castes; I preserve them: they are inmutable and eternal “. (ch.4 couplet 13).

    MIND YOU THIS IS NOT THE STATEMENT OF THE JUST GOD BUT A MAN MADE STATEMENTS WHICH BRAHMINS HAVE PUT IN THE MOUTH OF A HOLY MAN OR A PROPHET KRISHNA FOR THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE AND THEY HAVE ALSO MADE MAN OF FLESH AND BLOOD WHO EAT FOOD AND HAD SEX INTO A GOD THIS IS A DISGRACE AND AN INSULT TO THE PURE GOD , HE IS HIGH ABOVE ALL THESES LIES , SEXUAL WEAKNESS , TOILET GOING AND EVIL THINGS .

    Holy Quran Surah 112.

    The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of Allah

    1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

    2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

    3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

    4. And there is none like unto Him.

    PS

    THE FIGHTING BETWEEN SHIA AND SUNNI IS ABOUT THE POSITION OF COMPANIONS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (S) , IT IS NOT ABOUT GOD OR QURAN , FOR OUR GOD AND HOLY BOOK ARE ONE AND THE SAME .

    SO THERE IS NO POINT IN BLAMING THAT TO QURAN OR THE ONE TRUE GOD WHICH MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN ALLAH , THE LORD OF ALLAH MANKIND .

  15. bholu
    Posted May 15, 2008 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Sufi786 its really good to know that u have more knowledge of so many religions (take that in a possitive way..)
    Its also good to know that u really love ALLAHA, whome we Hindus call as BHAGWAN.
    Use this knowledge in betterment of the mankind and society.
    work for peace ..
    but do try and wash away the the small amount of orthodoxy within you, which will help u to rise further.. and will make ur love towards HIM more pure, as according to u HE’s the one who is taking care of us all, because HE wants us to just love HIM. We cannot force anyone to love HIM in one particular way..
    This is the only fight ..
    HE is the suprime truth and free of all the man made religions may it be Hinduism or Islaam or any other, all the religion are his but HE is not bounded with in them.. Dont make him a property of one religion. HE is intreasted in our love towards HIM not in the way we love HIM..
    Bhagwan= Allaha= God= The Almighty… just understand this and leave everyting else..
    take care..
    though can i ask : y did’nt u replied to the question # 10.

  16. Sheran.G
    Posted May 23, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Religion is simple…..Do GOOD and Be GOOD.There is definitely a creator which no person has seen.Scriptures have been put down to paper by Prophets, Saints etc by hearing God Almighty speak to them from the heavens.So not even our so called Prophets, Saints etc were pure enough to see God Almighty.People should develop a high level tolerance by engaging and learning rather that pointing at each other.I accept all religions because I havent met God Almighty as yet to determine which one is the only one true religion.The day this happens I won’t waste a second to embrace the true religion.Lets make peace through religion…..not war.

  17. ANISH
    Posted June 12, 2008 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    My Dear BROTHER,

    First of all, let me say that I am a born orthodox christian, and I am an INDIAN. Why do you all quarell about what the real religion and all. There is only one God. In Islam, HE is ALLAH. In Christianity, HE is THE HOLY TRINTY. In Hinduism or Sanathana Dharma, HE is THE PARABRAHMAN.

    LET ME FIRST ASK YOU A QUESTION. Why are you such a staunch supporter of ISLAM? On what basis you say ALLAHU created everything by saying “BE”. Were you or anyone an eye-witness? Or did you take that for granted. And that is called “BELIEF”. Please my brother, dont get offended Actually THERE IS ONLY ONE SUPREME POWER and HE IS WORKSHIPPED IN DIFFERENT FORMS.

    When you “researched” about HINDUISM, I am really surprised as you never mentioned the concept of “parabrahman”. Remember a little knowledge is always a dangerous thing.

    When you see a dead clock, before complaining to someone that its dead, just think positively that it shows the accurate time atleast twice in a day.

    If you think your relegion is supreme or it is the only true one, its upto you. It never gives you the license to hurt, blame and abuse other’s believes. If you are so adamant, stern, staunch, dogmatic and strait-laced in your belief about your relegion as THE SUPREME ONE, then you should be also a true perfect believer, a philanthropist or an ascetic. THEN ISNT IT YOUR DUTY TO PRAY TO GOD ALMIGHTY TO LEAD OTHERS TOO TO THE SUPREME POWER AS YOU WERE BLISSED AND BLESSED BY HIM?

    Remember my buddy, its easy to hurt but difficult to mend because broken hearts have no spare parts. I know your intention is pure. But…..

    LETS NOT WASH THE DIRTY LINEN IN PUBLIC. DONT OUR ALMIGHTY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OUR DEEDS TOO? SO LETS GET PAID.

    I AM PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN. LETS RESPECT OTHERS TOO. LETS DO OUR DUTY BEFORE DEMANDIND OUR RIGHTS. OKAY.

    WITH LOVE AND PRAYERS
    YOUR BRO

  18. Posted July 1, 2008 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    I think all of you need to ask a fundamental question.

    If Allah is truth, then he is GOD and all loving. If he is perfect he will not allow even one sin to enter into his heaven for it would open the door to more sins large and small. Just like a small pin hole in the Dam. All the water pressure represents the desires of all of humanity good and evil.

    Now I challenge you. Show me where in the Quran Allah Promises to remove all sin as committed by a sinner. If the individual is left in the dark with no guarantees then he lives in fear instead of victory.

    Second Allah also committs sins by changing the law of GOD. That is he allows multiple wives for husbands but does not recommend it, whereas Christ and GOD both do not permit multiple wives nor do they approve of such. Yes Abraham did have an affair with Hager and committed adultery with his wife Sarah. He allows abraham to committ this sin without warning because he proves one thing. Humans will always forget to do the right thing. Remember GOD gave NOAH and adam and Eve the ten commandments orally and we know in our hearts its wrong to have more than one wife because it represents unfaithfulness in oneness. That is if you need more than one wife, chances are you will need more than one GOD. Now muslims I agree do not pray to more than one GOD, but they do however committ idolatry. That is they consider the black stone in Mecca of importance and significance. They believe if they are in Mecca and pray for something, Allah will think it over 1000 times. This seems like an indecisive behavior. Also why should we point our selves in the direction of the stone when we pray. This proves that Allah is outside of the person’s body and not inside.

    Christianity at first seems to cling to three different Gods. Namely , Jesus, The Holy Spirt, and Father GOD. However it is important to note that all three are one. Father GOD is gracious enough to provide us with a real example of this triunity. Take water for example. In its pure form H20, it can exist as and ICE, Liquid, and Vapor. All three forms do not react violently with one another and can exist at the same time. No other substance in the universe is found to do such a miracle. Jesus represents GOD fully in the flesh and spirit. Thus represents the body and mind and soul of GOD.

    Because GOD loves us he will do what is the most important thing we need for us. That is remove our sins so that we may be re-united with him and live for eternity. GOD does not want you for a single moment if it is not your free will to seek him. In fact many so called christians are totally fake and are not saved. Only a person who repents of his sins and believes in resurrection and sacrifice of Jesus christ is saved from all his sins by GOD. God gives so many hints to this but the common man is blind. We urinate in pure water because we know it is bad and the water is good which taketh away our impurities. We know clean water is essential to life. Dirty water can kill us.

    Test Jesus and his words by reading the king James Authorized verison. (why king James you may ask, well look up this wonderful king and see what he did before you judge him).

    GOD loves us, so much that he is willing to undergo severe torture that leads to his own physical death. The penalty of our sins is great and only Jesus who is pure can bear it.

    I pray that you understand and are willing to ask any question. I may be able to answer it through GOD’s grace.

    Thanks and AMEN.

  19. Posted July 1, 2008 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    One last thought so that all of you have something truly to think about.

    First if GOD is holy and pure, then he wants to remain that way.
    We are not holy and pure, some of us want to be and some of us enjoy being dirty. Those that want to be pure have repentence in there heart. Those that don’t continue on a path of wickedness.

    My bold claim and example.
    GOD will not take one sin. Sins cannot be erased. Here is the proof you all will have to agree to.

    If a take pure H20 (no minerals just distilled water). I then put a little bit if my own feces in it just a small speck in front of you. (That represents my sins). I mix this glass of water and it appears clean to you. Will you drink it? Please for the love of GOD why should GOD drink it……

    Here is the funny thing. YOu won’t even drink it yourself!!!!!

    Those who feel offended and hurt, that is a good thing, because GOD is talking to you, letting you know just who you are. Its up to you to decide whether to accept his sacrifice on the cross or not. I wish there was another way for GOD to forgive us of our sins, but there just isn’t. This is a fact of economics as well, when the cost is tremendous, there is only one way to complete the task. Therefore become real men and face up to the fact that you are and myself all sinners and need the mercy and forgiveness of GOD….

  20. abcd_s_2000
    Posted July 2, 2008 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Hello All,

    My goodness, I am not sure on which part of the world all of you are located at the moment, but you guys need to cool off or chill a bit, every one are talking about global warming, not sure whether to believe it or not! Cos no body knows it for sure… there are equal number of – evidences, studies, theories, weather extremes and well respected scientists arguing on either side of it.

    After said that, let me give a brief intro about my self. I was born in a village in south India and presently in US, I would like to stay unanimous for my family reasons (not for the sake of my mother or father, it’s for the sake of my only child). After born and brought up in an orthodox religious family, today I stand alone on my quest to find out and understand God.

    I started with an assumption that there was no God and all this happened just by a big-bang (which still let me hanging with an unanswered question – how all this just came out of nothing?), by assuming that I hit a brick wall where all of actions does not mean any dam things, no good, no bad, no rules finally no purpose of life as such, just be born, live and die. The End. I personally could not able to agree or conceive that I am here with out any purpose. So I came back to drawing board and changed my basic assumption and BELIEVED IN GOD.

    Please forgive me for my arrogance or ignorance if you may call it, I personally don’t know the shape, form or gender of God, so I just call God as God. No prefix, no suffix, no articles before or after. My realization is that, who ever believes in God and believes that God created all these, then it is solely left to them to find out the answers for all their questions. If any of you suggest reading any “holy book” – please forgive me, History is evident to us that no one has ever been able to accomplish or reach answers to all their questions. I don’t even dare to say that I do or don’t believe in heaven or hell, cos I don’t know of their existence or absence for sure, all I can say for sure is I DON’T KNOW, but what I DO know for sure is that when I leave earth, I will reach my source, I mean the God who created me, what God would do then, its left to God. I don’t know, the two possibilities would be

    1)God judges me and puts me in Hell because: I did not believe in a true religion or I did not live by the commandments or I did bad Karma or I did not believe in Mahabaratha, Ramayana, Bible, Torah, Quran, or I did not believe in Rama, Krishna, Messiah, Jesus, Mohammad – my only request with God would be to keep my memory of judgment and knowledge of truth with me, then I can spend the eternity in Hell with a satisfaction that I got to know the truth finally and I can have it for eternity. (I know what you all are thinking – how is that God is going to grant me the last wish? – I believe God who is my creator, whom I will meet for the first and the last time ever! – I BELIEVE I have the right to know and keep the truth with me irrespective of where I will spend my eternity)

    2)God judges me and puts me in Heaven and I find out that most of my family and friends are suffering in Hell – that would grieve my heart more than the happiness that I will find in any Heaven.

    Don’t you guys think that I am trying to trick God, I don’t even dare to dream it in my dreams.

    If you all believe that by believing in a true religion, a true holy book and by practicing, by living according to them and reading them you will be able to attain salvation? I whole heartedly pray God to provide you all the strength, knowledge, wisdom, love, patience and harmony to find out the true – religion, holy book, messiah, savior and way of life.

    Nonetheless, I am really surprised that all of you agree up on common thing that we are all Humans. Thank God that we haven’t forgotten that. I believe deep inside we all know what is right and what is wrong, it’s the choices that we make with our consciousness, which will determine who we are at the core.

    As we all agree up on that we are descendents of 1 pair of humans created by God, it does not matter whether they are created by a Hindu God or a Jewish God or a Christian God or a Muslim God: which boils down to one question – what religion does that 1 pair belong to? If any of you are able to answer that question, then you have the answer that all the population that ever lived on this earth are of that religion. Make sense.

    If you all are looking for God & absolute truth – No one knows it, don’t listen to any one, you have to find it on your own. The earth would have been in a lot better situation if our elders or preachers or scientists would have been little more honest and told us “WE DON’T KNOW, YOU GOT TO FIND OUT ON YOUR OWN” instead of coming up with holy books, religion and big-bang theory to explain all these.

    I wish you all LOVE, cos once we have love in all – peace, harmony and God would definitely reveal them selves.

    LOVE
    abcd_s_2000

  21. bholu
    Posted July 8, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    abcd I really admire ur thoughts .. wish i could think like u do.. i really try it at times but fail to continue doing so .. ur true that no one knows all the answers.. god bless u and us all ..
    good thinking ….

  22. geet
    Posted July 14, 2008 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Bholu….let me join you to appreciate abcds views
    Religions are different paths to lead to your ultimate destination.Its not the path you choose that is important but to reach your ultimate destination which has to be considered by all of us as our ultimate goal.And what is this goal….what do all of us desire?Be it a Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddist or Jew whatever religion we are bound by (mostly bcause we are born of them)….we all desire happiness, a permament state of joy and love…to love everyone unconditionaly is not something an ordinary man can do….his thoughts are limited…he gets religion, colour, sex into them, he is bound by fear. Many of us are lost in the narrowness of religion, constantly proving which one is better, which defeats the purpose of having a religion in the first place. A religion must help you open your mind and purify yourself and your thoughts.Let me share with you some words of greatness that i recently came across, ” Gold could take the form of a necklace, a bracelet, earings, rings and many more, but in the end they are all gold….the ring wouldnot tell the necklace ‘I’m a better peace of jewellery’…if it does so, its only because the ring fails to realize that they are both in pure form the same ‘Gold’ ”
    The authors of all great textures, The Bible, The Holy Quran or The Gita were all great souls. They all teach us how to reach our ultimate destination. This is not an easy task, hence many a times we are mistaken in their intepretation that we look only at the literay sense of these great texts, which in fact has a much in depth essense to it.For example as one of our friend here mentioned the qote given by lord Krishna about the caste system. By the 4 Varnas he meant that every society is divided into 4 classes.
    1. The Brahmin, they are the intellects, on whose advice helps the kings rule
    In our presenr system we could compare them to our Scientists, Economists, etc. Every Ruler is dependant on their views and advices.
    2. The Kshatriyas, the Rulers and warriors, who protects the country from enemys, who fights at the battlefield. We can compare them with our President, Ministers, Law enforcing bodies, military force, police force etc
    3. Vaishyas, mercantile and artisan community,who are the majority in the society, the merchants, carpenters,etc.In todays society they range from Big Business tycoons, to the fishmongers, farmers and carpenters.
    4. Sudras,service providers, and today they are maids, labourers, etc and without their contribution not a household or a construction could go forward.

    Just like few us who take these at the literary sense and fail to understand their in depth meaning, hinduism did corrupt itself by the caste system.A person born to a brahmin family, if a labourer is a Sudra and not a Brahmin.Every religion when misinterpreted does evil.I would suggest the reading of “An autobiography of a Yogi”….it helps in changing many of our narrow beliefs

    I wish you all the best in your journey, may you all find what you are looking for….lets all pray for peace and the betterment of mankind.

  23. abcd_s_2000
    Posted July 16, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Dear Bholu,

    Being a human I totally understand the limitation of being human, we are all very unique in our own ways, its really hard or rather I would say impossible to think in the lines of a different person, but one thing is for sure, when we complete our time here on earth, I believe many of our questions will be answered for sure. I believe in that.

    Hope to meet you some time in future!!! truse me we will recognize each other. Take care my friend. God bless you.

    With love
    abcd

  24. bholu
    Posted July 18, 2008 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    thanx abcd and geet for taking me as ur frnd..
    its really a delight to know u ppl and ur thoughts and i am really greatful to u ppl for extending my knowledge on the subject..

    But i want to bring one thing to notice to all my friends who are reading this blog that sufi786, who started this blog is reall great person who brought us all here…. and its his humanity and good heartedness that he has respected our views hes not a fool…. hes true Muslim the one which Qoraan tells us about….
    may the ALL MIGHTY helps us all to be a good human and thn good muslim or good hindu…. as for HIM we all are the same(HIS won creation)……
    OM SHANTI…….ALLAHA HOO AKBAR….

  25. abcd_s_2000
    Posted July 23, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Dear Bholu and Geet

    I apologize for directly jumping in to matter. I have an unanswered question buried with in me for quite some time. I have shared this question with many, but when I asked this question to my self for the first time, things all around me began to look far different than I had ever thought or dreamt. Here is the question.

    As a human being, what is that a person belonging to religion “X” CAN NOT do, that a person belonging to religion “Y” CAN, to humanity?

    Some times, answers to certain questions are like Onions, to start with we have a big ball, but when we began to peel layer by layer of mask to get to the core truth, we end up in empty.

    I believe that “emptiness” is telling us some thing, but it depends up on how we look at it. Some might say that’s just empty, nothing or no answer, but form where I stand I see that emptiness as the litmus test result of “no difference” between individuals who belong to different religions, they are all Humans at the core.

    That’s just a thought.

    With love
    abcd

  26. rocky
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    sufi posted:- “Brahma is one of the three main gods-Trimurti-of the Hindu pantheon. He is the creator of the universe, Saraswati, who became the wife of her own father, was the daughter of Brahma. There are two stories about her genesis in the

    “Saraswati Purana”. One is that Brahma created his beautiful daughter Saraswati direct from his “vital strength” or seminal fluid. The other is that Brahma used to collect his semen in a pot whenever he masturbated fixing his carnal eyes on the celestial beauty Urvasi. Brahma’s semen in the pot gave birth to Saraswati. Thus,Saraswati had no mother.

    This daughter or grand-daughter of Brahma is the Hindu goddess of learning. When Brahma saw the beauty of Saraswati he became amorous. To escape from her father’s passionate approach Saraswati ran to the lands in all four directions, but she could not escape from her father. She succumbed to Brahma’s wish. Brahma and his daughter Saraswati lived as husband and wife indulging in incest for 100 years. They had a son Swayambhumaru. Swayambhumaru made love with his sister Satarpa. Through the incest of Brahma’s son and daughter Brahma got two grandsons and two grand-daughters.”

    my reply:-Looks like you forgot to give any refrence yet again . just another blabber claim .
    Carry On Kid .. looks like someone wants self pleasure .
    whats is the other word for that ?

    I checked the net Saraswati Purana is not in the list of Puranas.. and most definetly doesnot exist or is an obscure text.. only mention in one site. echarcha.com
    where a Hinduism V/S Islam fight is taking place..

    hence this crap is false..cause ur stories are not exact as they r punk.

    and dont forget that u belong to the most hated and worst religion the world has ever seen. look at ur face u look like a plastic piggy bank.

  27. rocky
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    u islam peoples are having problem and hate everyone i mean u got prob with hindus, chris, and others too.. islam was never like this it used to be good for mankind but not anymore now.
    ur an unwanted progeny u know that, when a dynasty is overpowered by adharma, the women of that dynasty become degraded. when women become degraded and unchaste,unwanted progeny like u are born.Such unwanted progeny certainly force hellish conditions upon both the family and are the destroyers
    of the dynasty. Indeed, their forefathers, bereft of
    oblations of sanctified food and water, must also
    suffer the same fate.Due to the evil deeds of these destroyers of the
    dynasty, the teachings of
    dharma in accordance with
    timeless family tradition, are sunk into oblivion.Alas! How regretable it is that u are determined
    to engage in this great sin. Driven by unknown greed, ego & happiness u are prepared to slay our own kinsmen(hindus).
    we hindus never had any prob with u guys, we never interfered in ur activities or life but u did and do this even now.
    we are still ready to live happily with u but ru worthy enough of our trust?

  28. hitu
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    this man sufy786 needs to undergo some mental tests.

  29. hitu
    Posted July 27, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    @ sufi786
    simply by quoting out some unknown points from hindu culture which are even not verified u cant blame the whole hindu religion.
    we are not that degraded to learn about truth and reality from unworthy junk peoples like u belonging to the junk religion.
    as of shedding light on my religion even i have quoted some of the points of quran below.
    islam wants TOTAL WAR, its the most hated and degraded religion the world has ever seen .

    [b]QURAN’S PROTOCOLS FOR TOTAL WAR[/b]

    QUOTATIONS BY CHAPTER AND VERSE FROM
    THE TRANSLATION OF THE QURAN
    SANCTIONED BY THE HIGHEST RELIGIOUS MUSLIM AUTHORITIES
    IN SAUDI ARABIA

    ——————————————

    Qur’an 2:39 “Those who disbelieve and reject Our revelations are the dwellers of the Fire, they shall abide therein forever.”

    Qur’an 2:59 “But the transgressors [the Jews] changed the word from that which had been told to them for another, so We sent upon the wrongdoers a punishment from the heaven because of their rebelling against Allah’s obedience.

    Qur’an 2:65 “And indeed you [Jews] knew those among you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. We [Allah] said to them: “Be you monkeys, despised and rejected.”

    Qur’an 2:67 “And remember when Moses said to his people: ‘Verily, Allah commands you that you slaughter a cow.’ (The ‘story’ of the cow – which has no basis in the Bible – follows, which tells the faithful how the Jews attempted, unsuccessfully, to deceive and outwit Allah: 67-73)”

    Qur’an 2:74 “Then after that your hearts [Jews] were hardened and became as stones or even worse in hardness. And indeed, there are stones out of which rivers gush forth and indeed, there are stones which split asunder so that water flows from them, and indeed, there are stones which fall down for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.”

    Qur’an 2:77 “Know they [Jews] not that Allah knows what they conceal and what they reveal?”

    Qur’an 2:80 “And they [Jews] say, ‘Hell-fire shall not touch us but for a few hundred days.’ Say (O Muhammad): Have you taken a covenant from Allah, so that Allah will not break his covenant? Or is it that you say of Allah what you know not?”

    Qur’an 2:85: “Then do you [Jews] believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment.

    Qur’an 2:86 “Their torment [the Jews] shall not be lightened nor shall they be helped.”

    Qur’an 2:87 “And indeed, we gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers … Is it that whenever there came to you [Jews] a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.”

    Qur’an 2:88 “And they [the Jews] say: ‘Our hearts are wrapped’ (i.e., do not hear or understand Allah’s Word.) Nay, Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so little is that which they believe.”

    Qur’an 2:89 “And when there came to them [the Jews], a Book (this Qur’an) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Torah and Gospel], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers.”

    Qur’an 2:92 “And indeed Moses came to you [Jews] with clear proofs, yet you worshipped the calf after he left, and you were wrongdoers.”

    Qur’an 2:94 “Say to them [the Jews]: ‘If the Home of the hereafter with Allah is indeed for you especially and not for others, of mankind, then long for death if you are truthful.’

    Qur’an 2:95 “But they will never long for it because of what their hands have done. And Allah is All-Aware of the wrongdoers.

    Qur’an 2:96 “And verily, you will find them [the Jews] the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who ascribe partners to Allah. Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years but the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allah is All-Seer of what they do.”

    Qur’an 2:116 “And they [the Christians] say: ‘Allah has begotten a son’. Glory be to Him! Nay, to Him belongs that is in the heavens and on earth, and all surrender with obedience to Him.”

    Qur’an 2:159 “Verily, those [the Jews and the Christians] who conceal the clear proofs, evidences and the guidance, which We have sent down, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, they are the ones cursed by Allah and cursed by the cursers.”

    Qur’an 2:161 “Verily, those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers, it is they on whom is the Curse of Allah and of the angels and of mankind, combined.

    Qur’an 2:162 “They will abide therein [under the curse in Hell], their punishment will neither be lightened nor will they be reprieved.”

    Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. Disbelief is worse than killing. And fight not with them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.”

    Qur’an 3:10 “Verily, those who disbelieve, neither their properties nor their offspring will avail them whatsoever against Allah; and it is they who will be fuel of the Fire.”

    Qur’an 3:12 “Say to those who disbelieve: ‘You will be defeated and gathered together to Hell, and worst indeed is that place to rest’.”

    Qur’an 3:56 “As to those who disbelieve, I [Allah] will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.”

    Qur’an 3:61 “Then whoever disputes with you concerning him [Jesus] after all the knowledge that has come to you [i.e. Jesus being a slave of Allah and having no share in Divinity] say: ‘Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves – then we pray and invoke the Curse of Allah upon those who lie [who believe Jesus is the son of Allah]‘.”

    Qur’an 3:69 “A party of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish to lead you astray. But they shall not lead astray anyone except themselves, and they perceive not.”

    Qur’an 3:70 “O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]: Why do you disbelieve in the revelations of Allah while you yourselves bear witness to their truth?”

    Qur’an 3:71 “O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]: Why do you mix truth with false thoughts and conceal the truth while you know?”

    Qur’an 3:75 “Among the people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians] is he who, if entrusted with a great amount of wealth, will readily pay it back; and among them there is he who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless you constantly stand demanding, because they say: ‘There is no blame on us to betray and take the properties of the illiterates (Arabs).’ But they tell a lie against Allah while they know it.”

    Qur’an 3:78 “And verily, among them [Jews and Christians] is a party who distort the Book with their tongues, so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: ‘This is from Allah,’ but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it.”

    Qur’an 3:85 “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”

    Qur’an 3:87 “They [disbelievers] are those whose recompense is that on them rests the Curse of Allah, of the angels, and of all mankind.

    Qur’an 3:88 “They will abide in Hell. Neither will their torment be lightened, nor will it be delayed or postponed.”

    Qur’an 3:100 “O you who believe! If you obey a group of those who were given the Scripture [Jews and Christians], they would indeed render you disbelievers after you have believed!”

    Qur’an 3:110 “You [Muslims] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin [the ordinances of Islam] and forbid all that Islam has forbidden and you believe in Allah. And had the people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians] believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are wrongdoers.”

    Qur’an 3:118 “O you who believe! Take not as your friends those outside your religion [Jews and Christians] since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the revelations, if you understand.”

    Qur’an 3:119 “Lo! You are the ones who love them [Jews and Christians] but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures while they disbelieve in your Book. And when they meet you, they say, ‘We believe.’ But when they are alone they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: ‘Perish in your rage.’ Certainly, Allah knows all the secrets in the breasts.”

    Qur’an 3:151 “We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they [Christians] join others in worship with Allah, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the wrong doers.”

    Qur’an 3:181 “Indeed, Allah has heard the statement of those [Jews] who say: ‘Truly, Allah is poor and we are rich!’ We shall record what they have said and their killing of the Prophets unjustly, and we shall say: ‘Taste you the torment of the burning Fire’”.

    Qur’an 4:14 “And whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment.”
    Qur’an 4:46 “Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words from (their) right places and say: ‘We hear your word and disobey.’ … But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not except a few.”

    Qur’an 4:47 “O you who have been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians]! Believe in what We have revealed confirming what is (already) with you, before we efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose, mouth, eyes, etc.) and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers. And the Commandment of Allah is always executed.”

    Qur’an 4:48 “Verily, Allah forgives not that partners [Jesus as son of God] should be set up with Him in worship, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.”

    Qur’an 4:50 “Look, how they [Christians] invent a lie against Allah, and enough is that as a manifest sin.”

    Qur’an 4:51 “Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture [the Bible]? They believe in false gods and idols and say to the disbelievers that they are better guided as regards the way than the believers (Muslims).”

    Qur’an 4:52 “They [Jews and Christians] are those whom Allah has cursed, and he whom Allah curses, you will not find for him any helper.”

    Qur’an 4:55 “Of them [Jews and Christians] were some who believed in him (Muhammad – peace be upon him) and of them were some who averted their faces from him; and enough is Hell for burning them.”

    Qur’an 4:56 “Surely! Those who disbelieve in Our Revelations We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allah is Ever Most Powerful, All-Wise.”

    Qur’an 4:74 “Let those believers who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter fight in the Cause of Allah, and whoso fights in the Cause of Allah and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward.”

    Qur’an 4:76 “Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the Cause of Satan. So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.”

    Qur’an 4:82 “Do they not then consider the Qur’an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions.”

    Qur’an 4:84 “Then fight (O Muhammad) in the Cause of Allah and incite the believers (to fight along with you), it may be that Allah will restrain the evil might of the disbelievers. And Allah is Stronger in Might and Stronger in Punishing.”

    Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected, and thus that you all become equal. So take not friends from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah. But if they turn back (from Islam) take hold of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither friends nor helpers from them.”

    Qur’an 4:93 “And whoever kills a believer [Muhammadan Muslim] intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of Allah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him.”

    Qur’an 4:115 “And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers’ way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell – what an evil destination.”

    Qur’an 4:153 “The people of the Scripture [Jews] ask you to cause a book to descend upon them from heaven. Indeed they asked Moses for even greater than that, when they said: ‘Show us Allah in public,’ but they were struck with thunder-clap and lightning for their wickedness. Then they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them.”

    Qur’an 4:155 “Because of their breaking the covenant, and their rejecting the revelations of Allah, and of their killing the Prophets unjustly, and of their saying: ‘Our hearts are wrapped’ – nay, Allah has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief, so they believe not but a little.

    Qur’an 4:156 “And because of their disbelief and uttering against Mary a grave false charge;

    Qur’an 4:157 “And because of their saying, ‘We killed Messiah Jesus son of Mary, the messenger of Allah’, – but they killed him not, nor crucified him but the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not.”

    Qur’an 4:160 “For the wrong-doing of the Jews, We made unlawful to them certain good foods which has [sic] been lawful to them, and for their hindering many from Allah’s Way;

    Qur’an 4:161 “And their taking of usury though they were forbidden from taking it and their devouring of men’s substance wrongfully (bribery, etc.). And We have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful torment.”

    Qur’an 4:171 “O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a spirit created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messenger. Say not: ‘Three!’ Cease! It is better for you. For Allah is one God, Far Exalted is He above having a son.”

    Qur’an 5:13 “So because of their [the Jews'] breach of their covenant, We cursed them and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them and you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them.”

    Qur’an 5:14 “And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection, and Allah will inform them of what they used to do.”

    Qur’an 5:17 “Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary.”

    Qur’an 5:18 “And both the Jews and the Christians say: ‘We are the children of Allah and His loved ones.’ Say: ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?’ Nay, you are but human beings of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills.”

    Qur’an 5:33 “The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.”

    Qur’an 5:55 “O you who believe! Do your duty to Allah and fear Him. Seek the means of approach to Him, and go on a Jihad in His Cause as much as you can. So that you may be successful.”

    Qur’an 5:38 “Cut off the hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise.”

    Qur’an 5:41 “O Messenger! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: ‘We believe’ with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies – listen to others who have not come to you. They change the words from their places; they say, ‘If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!’ … Those are the ones whose hearts Allah does not want to purify; for them there is a disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a great torment.”
    Qur’an 5:51 “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as your friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are wrongdoers.”

    Qur’an 5:57 “O you who believe! Take not for friends those who take your religion for a mockery and fun from among those who received the Scripture [Jews and Christians] before you, nor from among the disbelievers; and fear Allah if you indeed are true believers.”

    Qur’an 5:59 “Say: ‘O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]! Do you criticize us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and in the revelation which has been sent down to us and in that which has been sent down before us, and that most of you are rebellious and disobedient to Allah?’”

    Qur’an 5:60 “Say (O Muhammad) to the people of the Scripture: ‘Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those Jews who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom some He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped false deities; such are worse in rank and far more astray from the Right Path.’”

    Qur’an 5:62 “And you see many of them [Jews] hurrying for sin and transgression, and eating illegal things [as bribes, usury, etc.]. Evil indeed is that which they have been doing.

    Qur’an 5:63 “Why do not the rabbis and the religious learned men forbid them from uttering sinful words and from eating illegal things. Evil indeed is that which they have been performing.”

    Qur’an 5:64 “The Jews say: ‘Allah’s Hand is tied up.’ Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered. Nay, both His Hands are widely outstretched. He spends of His Bounty as He wills. Verily, the Revelation that has come to you from Allah increases in most of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. We have put enmity and hatred amongst them till the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war Allah extinguished it; and they ever strive to make mischief on earth. And Allah does not like the mischief-makers.”

    Qur’an 5:66 “And if only they had acted according to the Torah and the Gospel, and what has now been sent down to them from their Lord (the Qur’an), they would surely have gotten provision from above them and from underneath their feet. There are from among them people who are on the right course, but many of them do evil deeds.”

    Qur’an 5:68 “Say (O Muhammad!): ‘O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]! You have nothing (as regards guidance) till you act according to the Torah and the Gospel and what has now been sent down to you from your Lord (the Qur’an).’ Verily, that which has been sent down to you from your Lord increases in many of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So be not sorrowful over the people who disbelieve.”

    Qur’an 5:69 “Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, – whosoever believed in Allah in the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.”

    Qur’an 5:70 “Verily, We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them Messengers. Whenever there came to them a Messenger with what they themselves desired not – a group of them they called liars , and others among them they killed.”

    Qur’an 5:72 “Surely, they have disbelieved who say: ‘Allah is the Messiah son of Mary.’ But the Messiah said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the wrongdoers there are no helpers.”

    Qur’an 5:73 “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allah is the third of the three.’ But there is no God but One God. And if they cease not from what they say, verily a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.”

    Qur’an 5:74 “The Messiah son of Mary was no more than a Messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a true believer. They both used to eat food. Look how We make the revelations clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away.”

    Qur’an 5:78 “Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of David and Jesus son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed (Allah and the Messengers) and were ever transgressing beyond bounds.”

    Qur’an 5:79 “They used not to forbid one another from the wrongdoing which they committed. Vile indeed was what they used to do.”

    Qur’an 5:80 “You see many of them taking the disbelievers as their friends. Evil indeed is that which their ownselves have sent forward before them, for that reason Allah’s Wrath fell upon them and in torment they will abide.”

    Qur’an 5:82 “Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers [Muhammadan Muslims] are the Jews and Pagans, and you will find the nearest in love to the believers those who say: ‘We are Christians’ that is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.”

    Qur’an 5:83 “And when they [Christians] listen to what has been sent down to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have recognised. They say: ‘Our Lord! We believe; so write us down among the witnesses.’”

    Qur’an 5:86 “But those who disbelieved and belied Our revelations, they shall be the dwellers of the Fire.”

    Qur’an 5:115 “Allah said: ‘I am going to send it down on to you, but if any of you after that disbelieves then I will punish him with a torment such as I have not inflicted on anyone among all mankind and jinns.’”

    Qur’an 5:116 “And remember when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): ‘O Jesus son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?’ He will say: ‘Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right to say. Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.’”

    Qur’an 5:117 ” ‘Never did I [Jesus] say to them aught except what You did command me to say: “Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them and You are a Witness to all things.’ [The translation adds: 'This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world'].”

    Qur’an 5:118 “If You punish them [Christians], they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, Verily You, only You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.”

    Qur’an 7:160 “And We divided them into twelve tribes as distinct nations. We directed Moses by inspiration, saying: ‘Strike the stone with your stick,’ and there gushed forth out of it twelve springs: each group knew its own place for water. We shaded them with the clouds and sent down upon them manna and quails, saying: ‘Eat of the good things with which We have provided you.’ They harmed Us not but they used to harm themselves.”

    Qur’an 7:161 “And remember when it was said to them: ‘Dwell in this town [Jerusalem] and eat therefrom wherever (sic) you wish, and say, ‘Forgive our sins’; and enter the gate prostrate. We shall forgive you your wrongdoings. We shall increase the reward for the good-doers.’

    Qur’an 7:162 “But those among them who did wrong changed the word that had been told to them. So We sent on them a torment from heaven in return for their wrong-doings.”

    Qur’an 7:163 “And ask them about the town that was by the sea, when they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: ‘When their fish came to them openly on the Sabbath day, and did not come to them on the day they had no Sabbath. Thus We made a trial of them for they used to rebel.’”

    Qur’an 7:166 “So when they [the Jews] exceeded the limits of what they were prohibited, We said to them: ‘Be you monkeys despised and rejected.’”

    Qur’an 7:167 “And remember when your Lord declared that He would certainly keep on sending against them [the Jews] those who would afflict them with a humiliating torment till the Day of Resurrection.”

    Qur’an 7:168 “And We have broken them up [the Jews] into various separate groups on the earth, some of them are righteous and some are away from that. And we tried them with good and evil in order that they might turn to Allah’s obedience.

    Qur’an 7:169 “Then after them succeeded an evil generation, which inherited the Book, but they chose the goods of this low life saying: ‘Everything will be forgiven to us.’”

    Qur’an 8:7 Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties that it should be yours: ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours but Allah willed to justify the truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the unbelievers.

    Qur’an 8:12 “Remember when your Lord inspired the angels, saying: ‘Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.

    Qur’an 8:13 “This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is severe in punishment.

    Qur’an 8:14 “This is the torment, so taste it, and surely for the disbelievers is the torment of the Fire.”

    Qur’an 8:39 “And fight them [the infidels] until there is no more disbelief, and the religion will all be for Allah Alone [the translation adds: 'in the whole of the world'.]”

    Qur’an 8:50 “And if you could see when the angels take away the souls of those who disbelieve, they smite their faces and their backs, saying: ‘Take the punishment of the blazing Fire.’”

    Qur’an 8:55 “Verily, the worst of living creatures before Allah are those who disbelieve.”

    Qur’an 8:60 “And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides whom you may not know but whom Allah does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.”

    Qur’an 9:29 “Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [i.e. Islam] among the people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians], until they pay their Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

    Qur’an 9:30 “And the Jews say: ‘Ezra is the son of Allah’, and the Christians say: ‘Messiah is the son of Allah.’ That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah’s Curse on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!”

    Qur’an 9:31 “They [Jews and Christians] took their rabbis and their monks to be their Lords besides Allah, and Messiah son of Mary, while they were commanded to worship none but one God. Praise and glory to Him, far is He from having the partners they associate with Him.”

    Qur’an 9:32 “They [Jews and Christians] want to extinguish Allah’s Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the disbelievers hate it.”

    Qur’an 9:33 “It is He Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth [Muhammadan Islam] to make it superior over all religions even though the disbelievers hate it.”

    Qur’an 9:34 “O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the rabbis and the monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder them from the Way of Allah. And those who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the Way of Allah – announce unto them a painful torment.”

    Qur’an 9:35 “On the Day when that gold and silver will be heated in the Fire of Hell and with it will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, and it will be said unto them: ‘This is the treasure which you hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what you used to hoard.’”

    Qur’an 9:38 “O you who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e. Jihad) you cling heavily to the earth? Are you pleased with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But little is the enjoyment of the life of this world as compared with the Hereafter.”

    Qur’an 9:39 “If you march not forth (Jihad) He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another people, and you cannot harm Him at all, and Allah is Able to do all things.”

    Qur’an 9:68 “Allah has promised the hypocrites, men and women, and the disbelievers the Fire of Hell, therein shall they abide. It will suffice them. Allah has cursed them, and for them is the lasting torment.”

    Qur’an 9: 73 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites and be firm against them. Their abode is hell an evil refuge indeed.

    Qur’an 9:111 “Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah’s Cause, so they kill and are killed … Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success.”

    Qur’an 16: 27 Then on the Day of Judgment He will cover them with shame and say: “Where are My `partners’ concerning whom ye used to dispute (with the godly)?” Those endued with knowledge will say: “This Day indeed are the Unbelievers covered with Shame and Misery
    Qur’an 22:19 “As for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling water will be poured down over their heads;

    Qur’an 22:20 “With it will melt what is within their bellies, as well as their skins.

    Qur’an 22:21 “And for them are hooked rods of iron to punish them.

    Qur’an 22:22 “Every time they seek to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be driven back therein and it will be said to them: ‘Taste the torment of burning!’”

    Qur’an 33: 64 Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers and prepared for them a Blazing Fire

    Qur’an 39:16 “They [the unbelievers] shall have coverings of Fire, above them and coverings of Fire beneath them; with this Allah does frighten His slaves: ‘O My slaves, therefore fear Me!’”

    Qur’an 39:20 “But those who fear Allah and keep their duty to their Lord, for them are built lofty rooms; one above another under which rivers flow. This is the promise of Allah: and Allah does not fail in His Promise.”

    Qur’an 39:23 “Allah has sent down the best statement, a Book, its parts resembling each other in goodness and truth, oft-repeated. The skins of those who fear their Lord shiver from it. Then their skin and their heart soften to the remembrance of Allah. That is the guidance of Allah. He guides therewith whom He pleases and whomever Allah sends astray, for Him there is no guide.”

    Qur’an 42: 26 And He listens to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness and gives them increase of His Bounty: but for the Unbelievers there is a terrible Penalty.

    Qur’an 45:7 “Woe to every sinful liar, -

    Qur’an 45:8 “Who hears the verses of Allah recited to him yet persists with pride as if he heard them not. So announce to him a painful torment!

    Qur’an 45-9 “And when he learns something of Our Verses, he makes them a jest. For such there will be a humiliating torment.

    Qur’an 45:10 “In front of them there is Hell, and that which they have earned will be of no profit to them … theirs will be a great torment.

    Qur’an 45:11 “This Qur’an is a guidance. And those who disbelieve in the revelations of their Lord, for them there is a painful torment.”

    Qur’an 46: 20 And on the Day that the Unbelievers will be placed before the Fire (it will be said to them): “Ye received your good things in the life of the world and ye took your pleasure out of them: but today shall ye be recompensed with a Penalty of humiliation: for that ye were arrogant on earth without just cause and that ye (ever) transgressed.”

    Qur’an 47:2 “But those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and believe in that which is sent down to Muhammad, for it is the truth from their Lord, He will expiate from them their sins, and will make good their state.”

    Qur’an 47:3 “That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Thus does Allah set forth their parables for mankind.”

    Qur’an 47:4 “So, when you meet [in Jihad] those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly on them. Thereafter is the time either for generosity or ransom. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam] … But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.”

    Qur’an 47:8 “Those who disbelieve, for them is destruction, and Allah will make their deeds vain.

    Qur’an 47:9 “That is because they hate that which Allah has sent down [this Qur'an], so He has made their deeds fruitless.”

    Qur’an 51:5 Those who resist Allah and His Apostle will be humbled to dust as were those before them: for We have already sent down clear Signs. And the Unbelievers (will have) a humiliating Penalty .

    Qur’an 51:60 Woe then to the Unbelievers on account of that day of theirs which they have been promised!

    Qur’an 60:13 O ye who believe! turn not (for friendship) to people on whom is the Wrath of Allah. Of the Hereafter they are already in despair just as the Unbelievers are in despair about those (buried) in graves.

    Qur’an 66:9 O Prophet! strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell an evil refuge (indeed).

    SUFI786 REPLY TO HITU

    HI HITU- U know ur Hindu religion does not even allow the hindus of lower caste basic human rights and calls for killing of any Hindu lower caste man or women who dares even to read you holy books – so how ur Hindu religion treats non Muslims is not even worth discussion since the tyranny against its own majority dalit lower caste Hindu are unspeakable – what u quoted from quran does not prove any thing form ur marathon of quotes anyway as this thing do not call upon Muslims to kill women,children, or civilians AND EVEN soldiers who surrender before the Muslims – so nice try anyway thanks for dropping by – speaking about mental test – I think Manu who wrote the Hindu laws which makes s called lower caste Hindu less than animals needed the most advanced mental test to correct his psychopath brain anyway – thanks for dropping by

  30. hitu
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    @ sufi786
    u certainly need some mental tests bro. without getting my words and understanding what i want to sayyyy u r just coming here bombing junk words just like your bros bombed at ahmedabad couple of days ago, thats ur true religion, u shitty peoples start bombing innocent peoples and say its for ALLAH, is this what ur allah teaches u assholes huh. fuck a girl have a baby and say its gifted by ALLAH, thats how your mentality is..
    u r just revolving the same set of thinghs and sentences again and again with no new valid meanings, u r just trying to prove here and urself that u have the last word wheather they make sense or not…
    pllzzzz i dont care how u reply to my this post cause i wont be coming to this site again to answer some unwanted junk progeny like u.
    the ultimate truth:- U BELONG TO THE MOST HATED AND MOST WORST RELIGION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN…

    SUFI786 REPLY TO HITU

    Shame on you Hypocrite you are just like ur God Brhama -Another greatest rapist and murderer- u have guts to blame Muslims for Ahmedabad bombing on one hand but shamefully hide the rape and plunder done by ur hindu fanatics following the footstep of ur God Brhama in Gujarat – Shame on u and ur shameful gods and Hindu religion u hypocrite Hitu – anyway Islam does not say rape pulnder and Bomb civilians so whoever has done the unfortunate act of bombing in which innocent people where killed is certainly not following Islam or Allah – so get that difference between my religion and ur Shameful rapist gods and sex manic gods and caste filled hindu religion – eat this fact and jump in a reiver and die for u belong to such an digusting rapist religion where gods rape their own daughters and have sex mania spree with thier own creation – and kill their own followers by their own Rama hands just because you own very own lower caste hindu was reading his own so called Hindiu scriptures and doing Meditation ?

    PS I FORGOT PREVIOUSLY DUDE ABOUT GETTING UR GOD BRAHMA EXAMINED BY THE GROUP OF PSYCHOLOGIST AND PSYCHIATRIST SO THAT THEY CAN READ WHAT KIND OF GOD HE IS WHO RAPES HIS OWN FLESH AND BLOOD DAUGHTER ?- OF COURSE THEN IN LINE IS WAITING RAMA WHO KILLED A LOWER CASTE HINDU FOR READING VEDA AND DOING PENANCE – THEN IS KRISHNA THE SEX MANIC WHO HAS THOUSANDS OF WIFE AND YET WAS NOT SATISFIED AND HAD TO SEE THE YOUNG WOMEN HIS OWN CREATION GOPI AS NAKED TO SATISFY HIS NEVER ENDING LUST AND GREED – THEN IT WOULD BE MANU WHO SAYS LOWER CASTE HINDU IS WORST THAN ANIMALS – FOR EVEN A COW CAN BE A GOD BUT A LOWER CASTE HINDU CANT EVEN ENTER UR PATHETIC TEMPLES -

    ——–SHAME ON YOUR HYPOCRISY ———- SHAME ON YOUR GODS- I WONDER WHAT KIND OF MANIC U ARE WHEN YOU SPEAK AND FOLLOW SUCH KIND OF PATHETIC DISGUSTING GODS ? AND MOREEVER YOU EVEN DEFEND THEIR PATHETIC DISGUSTING DEEDS .

  31. rocky
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    totaly agree with u hitu , these shitthole peoples do all this kind of thinghs and say it was for ALLAH, in the name of ALLAH and was willed by ALLAH. atleast we are not that degraded like them to put a blame of our own action on GOD.

    @ sufi786 (aka unwanted progeny)BHAGVAT GITA is just beyond human perception of this era, even man of discrimination is bewildered in their efforts to determine the truth of life & about the origin and dissolution of the living entities, those who are ignorant, faithless and of a doubting nature are ruined. For the doubting person, there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next.your quran does not cover all these thinghs which are covered in GITA.
    as of goin scientifically GITA covers basic points like whats the primeval cause of human origin because neither of us nor ur Quran can comprehend natural activities, who is the original creator and whats the imperishable reality beyond both cause and effect?
    BHAGVAT GITA is & was read by many great scientists like ALBERT EINSTIEN & GALILIO.

    one last thingh my muslim bro i dont have any personal issues with u, every religion is great at its place for me, i never blame any religion even my above words where meant for u not ur religion cause i know blaming ur religion is like blaming my own GOD.
    if u r a true muslim than plz dont reply to this as i dont wanna start on it again bro.
    we r bros rite .
    take care bye.

    SUFI786 REPLY TO ROCKY

    ROCKY U ROCK MAN U UNWANTED PROGENY OF UR GOD BRHAMA – NOT ME REMEMBER – LOL- GOOD BYE – TAKE CARE

    YES I KNOW GITA IS BEYOND HUMAN COMPREHENSION – THAT IS WHY LOWER CASTE HINDU ARE BANNED TO READ IT – BECAUSE THEY ARE ANIMALS – AND YES HOW CAN ANIMALS UNDERSTAND THE DIVINE BOOK ?

  32. abcd_s_2000
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Dear Hitu and Rokcy

    I am sorry to address you both directly. Please forgive me; I am not here to debate which religion is true or best.

    If @sufi786 is confident of his religion is the true religion, good for him. We all pray that hope he is right! We all know that the true indicators of a man’s belief system and his thoughts about truth are reviled by his heart and actions. We hope our @sufi786 knows it and his heart and actions are true indicators of the same.

    Here is my two cents. I would rather pick a fight with a person who holds perfume in his/her hands than to have a romance with a person who holds some undesirable or unpleasant thing.

    We are not here to offend any one, but to become better human beings. Again here is my question.

    To humanity, as a human being, what is that a person belonging to religion “Y” CAN Do, that a person belonging to religion “X” CAN NOT?

    With love
    abcd

  33. rocky
    Posted July 28, 2008 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    @ abcd -u realy got a great sense of humour bro, as stated in my previous post my harsh words were not for islam religion but for sufy786 himself cause if u read his posts u will come to know that he is been criticising all the religions and all the GODS of other religion apart islam.
    so my harsh words are for sufy786 and not for ISLAM cause as stated earlier criticising other religions is like me criticising my own GOD.
    what i beleive is that ALMIGHTY GOD tried to convey his message & knowledge to different peoples according to their personal mental thinking, so for western peoples like chritians he is JESUS, for our muslim bros he showed up as ALLAH & for peoples like hindus he came as RAMA & KRISHNA.
    my bro sufy786 plz forgive me if somehow or somewere u r hurt.

  34. rocky
    Posted July 29, 2008 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    my bro sufy786 plz plz plz stop repeating the same type of shit again and again in replying everyone.
    all those 1000 wifes of krishna where part of his divine energies u can google that on good sites like krishna.com or esatsang.com or on the official site of ART OF LIVING and not on some chunking sites like echarcha.com . now as of those GOPI who were always attracted by krishna they in their previous birth where male devotees of lord vishnu who wished to dance and have fun with earthly form of vishnu thus when krishna was born before that those divotees where also borned in the form of females aka GOPIies.
    peace. take care

  35. rocky
    Posted July 29, 2008 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    as of brahma raping his own child it was done for creation, after this purpose of creation was fullfiled brahma fired up his young body and after that took a new body of old age. u will find brahma in two pics one is when he is young at the time of creation and other the old aged brahma after firing up himself cause he himself was ashamed of that and fired up himself knowing that the action of rape was needed .

  36. rocky
    Posted July 29, 2008 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    good bye sufy786 aka unwanted progeny, its totaly waste to make u understand what im trying to say as its out of your mind and mental capabilities, go on & continue criticising other religions if that gives u somekind of unknown happiness in your ass.
    go fuck ur wife or girlfreind in the name of ALLAH and ALLAH will gift u lots of babies. hitu was rite here u people certainly have this kind of mentality. its totaly waste to make u guys understand somethingh.

    SUFI786 REPLY TO ROCKY

    ROCKY U ROCK MAN U UNWANTED PROGENY OF UR GOD BRHAMA – NOT ME REMEMBER – LOL- GOOD BYE – TAKE CARE

    PS – DON’T U LET UR LUSTY GOD -F- UR WIFE – HE IS GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY- HE DID TO HIS OWN DAUGHTER – SO WHAT WILL STOP HIM FROM F- RAPING UR WIFE – LOL – GOODBYE TAKE CARE OF UR WIFE- GIRLFRIEND – FROM UR OWN GODS – U NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN THE NEXT TIME THEY PAY A VISIT TO UR LUSTY RAPIST GODS IN THE TEMPLE – LOL

  37. rocky
    Posted July 29, 2008 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    perhaps that why YOUR RELIGION IS THE MOST HATED AND MOST WORST RELIGION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN…

    SUFI786 REPLY TO THE ILLUSIONIST ROCKY

    WAKE UP MAN – LOL- ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD –

    http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/

    THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF – SO FAR SO GOOD FOR UR PATHETIC HATE FOR ISLAM – GO AND PERISH IN UR RAGE AND HATE – BUT SOON ISLAM WILL THE MAJORITY RELIGION IN THE WORLD(IT IS ALREADY THE SECOND LARGEST ANYWAY) – NEEDLESS TO SAY PEOPLE ARE NOT TURNING TO ISLAM BECAUSE THEY HATE IT – THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HATE ISLAM ARE THE ONES WHO ARE HAPPY TO LIVE IN FANTASY WORLD MAKING GOD INTO A HUMAN – LUSTING RAPING HIS SO CALLED CHILDREN – THAT IS ENOUGH TO SPEAK FRO U AND UR LIKE OTHER PAGAN RELIGIONS.-

    WHY THEY HATE ISLAM ?

    Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
    [Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

    1.

    “Ekam evadvitiyam”
    “He is One only without a second.”
    [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
    2.

    “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
    “Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
    3.

    “Na tasya pratima asti”
    “There is no likeness of Him.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
    4.

    The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

    “Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”

    “His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

    ANSWER – BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE GOD INTO AN ANIMAL LIKE THEM – AND ISLAM HAS THE FORMLESS GOD – SO THEY HATE ISLAM – PAGANS MAY GOD CURSE UR INSULTS U THROW TO THE PURE GOD OF ALL – U CALL IT BAGHVAN -I CALL HIM ALLAH – CHRISTIANS CALL HIM GOD – IT IS ONLY LANGUAGE – BUT GOD IS ONE – AND PURE FROM ALL FILTH AND DIRT WHICH SOME PEOPLE ASCRIBE TO HIM

    HOLY QURAN
    043.082
    Glory to the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne (of Authority)! (He is free) from the things they attribute (to him)!

    002.098
    : Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith.

    072.003
    YUSUFALI: ‘And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither a wife nor a son.

    Surah 112 The Unity – Al-Ikhlas, 4 verses (Makka)

    In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    1. Say: He is God, the One and Only;
    2. God, the Eternal, Absolute;
    3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
    4. And there is none like unto Him.

    1.

    “Ekam evadvitiyam”
    “He is One only without a second.”
    [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
    2.

    “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
    “Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
    3.

    “Na tasya pratima asti”
    “There is no likeness of Him.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
    4.

    The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

    “Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”

    “His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

    “There is only one God, worship Him” (Rig Veda, Vol. 6, Hymn 45 vs 16 )

    “Do not worship any one beside Him” (Rig Veda Bk. 8, Hymn 1, Vs 1)

    “God is only one, – not a second”- (Chandogya Upanishad Ch. 6, Section 2, verse 1).

    GO IN PEACE ROCKY – MAY ONE TRUE ETERNAL FORMLESS GOD OF ALL GUIDE YOU -

  38. rocky
    Posted July 29, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    besides this dont forget that ur QURAN does not comprehends the natural activities, the human nature, their actions & the imperishable reality behind both CAUSE & EFFECT which is clearly discribed in GITA. so in scientifical manner too GITA is perfect. though as stated above understanding GITA is not easy for a guy like u, ur inteligence is in the last stage of degradation to understand even a single word of GITA.
    ur quran is simply like ALLAH HAS DONE THIS, HE HAS CREATED THIS AND THAT, WE ARE HIS FOLLOWERS ETC ETC.. but it fails to tell us who we are truely, whats the life after death, whats the death, who are we as this earthly matter? what actions affect our future and fate? whats the ultimate reality? all these thinghs are clearly explained in GITA and NOT IN UR SHITTY QURAN..
    good bye , i dont care how u reply this post cause im out of this shitty site praising some shitting thinghs like ISLAM..

    one last thingh i would like to tell u but i wont as u already know whats that last line of mine.

    SUFI786 REPLY TO ROCKY

    TALKING OF SCIENCE – MAN DONT MAKE ME GO -LOL AGAIN- UR VEDA SAY SUN MOVES AROUND THE EARTH – SO FAR SO GOOD FOR SCIENCE AND HINDU VEDA ACCURACY – EVEN A 5 YEAR OLD KID KNOWS BETTER SCIENCE THAN THE SO CALLED ACCURATE SCIENCE I UR VEDA – MAN UR VEDA IS ANCIENT – THEY ARE GOOD THINGS IS IT AS WELL – BUT MOST OF THE THINGS ARE SHOCKING TO A HUMAN INTELLECT – MAY ME VEDA WHERE PURE ONCE UPON A TIME LATER THEY BECAME CORRUPTED BY HUMAN WRITINGS – MAKING PURE FORMLESS GOD INTO A HUMAN RAPING AND LUSTING – THAT IS THAT WHERE VEDA CONTRADICT THEMSELVES – WHEN THE TRUTH CLASHES WITH UNTRUTH IN THE VEDA

    1.

    “Ekam evadvitiyam”
    “He is One only without a second.”
    [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
    2.

    “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
    “Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
    3.

    “Na tasya pratima asti”
    “There is no likeness of Him.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
    4.

    The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

    “Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”

    “His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

    MAN THESE ARE REALLLY GREAT VERSES THEY HAVE CERTAINLY DIVINE ORIGIN

  39. rocky
    Posted July 29, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    CONFIRMED:- ALl the shit that has been written on that courtesy site of geocity by that product of mistake Dr. Abrahaam is fake.
    according to that asshole Dr.abrahaam krishna used to take away clothes of gopies to see them nude hwereas this isnt truth, lord krishna did that only once just to teach them not to bath naked in river as god is everywere and thier thinking that nobody is seeing them naked in river is wronge. krishna did that just to teach them that.

    maaann i dont understand what kind of happiness and proudness these muslim guys get in criticising and spreading wronge thinghs about religion of others.
    everythingh written on that geocity courtesy site from where u have taken this shitt is fake.
    i just want to ask this one question to these muslims DOES CRITICISING THE OTHER RELIGIONS GIVE U SOMEKIND OF HAPPINESS OR PROUDNESS? if yes than plz let me know what is that happiness and how u enjoy that?
    U BELONG TO THE MOST HATED AND MOST WORST RELIGION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN…
    GO KILL URSELF RELIGIOUS REBELS…

  40. rocky
    Posted July 30, 2008 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    confirmed- brahma raping his child is fake, the geocity site from which u have taken this story is also fake.
    everythingh written on that site about lord brahma, shiva, rama and krishna is fake. it seems ur misguided my bro but i know u wont understand even if i try to make u understand for my whole life.
    as of science in hindu scriptures dont forget that value of zero (0) was found by one such hindu sage, u just blaming hinduism due to some corrupt and stupid hindu guys who tell u all this fake story.
    if u want to know the real story and vedas of hinduism than buy nice books from reputed hindu place like HARIDWAR and not on some chunking sites of geocity.
    anyways takecare u live ur islam life weel and me my hindu life.
    goodbye.


    SUFI786 EXPOSES THE LIES OF ROCKY WITH REFERENCE FROM THE HINDU SCRIPTURES

    LORD BRAHMA’S INCEST

    “Brahma desired Sarasvati and went to her, asking her to stay with him. She, being his daughter, was furious at this and said, ‘Your mouth speaks inauspiciously and so you will always speak in a contrary way.’ From that day, Brahma’s fifth head always spoke evilly and coarsely. Therefore one day when Siva was wandering about with Parvati and came to see Brahma, Brahma’s four heads praised Siva but the fifth made an evil sound. Siva, displeased with the fifth head, cut it off. The skull remained stuck fast to Siva’s hand, and though he was capable of burning it up, Siva wandered the earth with it for the sake of all people, until he came to Benares.” — Siva Purana, Jnanasamhita 49:65-80.

    Another version:

    “Brahma desired his daughter and took the form of a stag to pursue her as a doe. The Brahmins called him to shame, and Rudra shot him with an arrow. The deer’s head came away from Brahma’s body and became a constellation in the sky. But then Gayatri and Sarasvati [the wives of Brahma] had no husband. They performed tapas for Siva, and he agreed to revive their husband, giving Brahma the four heads of Nandin and others of his hosts. Brahma arose and praised Siva.” — Skanda Purana 3:40:1-59.

    More of Lord Brahma’s (Prajapati’s) incest:

    “Prajapati desired his daughter and made love to her. This was a sin in the eyes of the gods, who said to the god who rules over beasts [Pasupati, Rudra], ‘He commits a sin, acting in this way towards his own daughter, our sister. Pierce him.’ Rudra took aim and pierced him. Half his seed fell to the ground. The gods cured Prajapati and cut out Rudra’s dart, for Prajapati is the sacrifice. To utilize [the seed], the gods said, ‘Take care that this may not be lost, but that it may be less than the oblation.’ They gave it to Bhaga to eat, but it burnt his eyes and he became blind. Then they gave it to Pusan to eat, but it knocked out his teeth. At last they gave it to Savitr [the sun] and it did not injure him, for he appeased it.” — Satapatha Brahmana 1:7:4:1-7.

    There are many instances of incest in sacred Hindu scriptures; these are not the only ones.

    CASTE IN THE GITA
    There is ample justification in the Gita alone to maintain caste divisions & oppressions; here are Lord Krsna’s words:

    “It is far better to perform one’s svadharma (prescribed duties), even though faultily, than another’s duties perfectly. Destruction in the course of performing one’s own duty is better than engaging in another’s duties, for to follow another’s path is dangerous.” — Bhagavad-Gita 3:35.

    “According to the three modes of material nature (goodness, passion, ignorance) and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society (Brahmin/Ksatriya/Vaisya/Sudra) are created by Me. And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the nondoer, being unchangeable.” — Bhagavad-Gita 4:13.

    “It is better to engage in one’s own svadharma (occupation), even though one may perform it imperfectly, than to accept another’s occupation and perform it perfectly. Duties prescribed according to one’s nature are never affected by sinful reactions.” — Bhagavad-Gita 18:47.

    Lord Rama (who, like Lord Krsna, is an Avatar of Lord Visnu) would be in complete accord with the above quotes; afterall, he killed an innocent Sudra, Sambuka, only because he was performing austerities which were not prescribed duties for low-castes (ref. Ramayana 7:88-89).

    HI ROCKY WHERE ARE U MAN ?- – SEE IT IS WRITTEN IN UR SCRIPTURES AND U CALLED ME LIAR AND THE REFERENCE WEBSITE LIAR – LOOK WHO IS THE REAL LIAR – YOU

    IN THE END ROCKY CONFIRMED HIMSELF THAT HE IS LIAR – WHO WOULD DO ANYTHING TO HIDE THE TRUTH – EVEN LIE – AND WHO KNOWS WHAT MORE HE IS CAPABLE OF ?

  41. rocky
    Posted July 30, 2008 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    abcd_s_2000 asked-”To humanity, as a human being, what is that a person belonging to religion “Y” CAN Do, that a person belonging to religion “X” CAN NOT?”
    my answer-” a person belonging to hindu religion never starts such debate criticising other religions, whereas a person belonging to ISLAM religion always start such debate first criticising every religion other than ISLAM.”
    hope that clearifies somethingh abcd_s_2000 & sufy786…

    as of sufy786 saying that ISLAM is the second largest religion in the world… dont forget that about 40% of muslims were forced in old days by muslim kings like AURANGZEB to accept the ISLAM religion, this thingh is written even in history books of many countries apart islam regions who certainly wont reveal their evil deeds, so giving proof on this is not needed sufy786.

    bye bros im out of this site for real now.
    last word u made me say-U BELONG TO THE MOST HATED AND MOST WORST RELIGION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN…

    SUFI786 REPLY TO ROCKY

    What a joke LOL- IF AURANGZEB USED FORCE TO CONVERT HINDU INTO MUSLIMS HOW COME UR ARE HINDU TODAY AND SO ARE THE MAJORITY 80% INDIANS ? LOOKS LIKE HE DID NO DO HIS SO CALLED ALLEGED FANTASY OF CONVERTING HINDUS TO ISLAM PROPERLY -LOL – DID U PREVENT HIM BY ANY CHANCE ROCKY LOL – OR DID HIS RELIGION ISLAM PREVENT HIM FROM DOING SO -AURANGAZEB RULED THE ENTIRE INDIA HE HAD THE LARGEST EMPIRE THAT ANY KING EVER HAD IN INDIA – BUT YET WHAT PREVENTED HIM FROM SPARING UR FOREFATHERS AND THE FORE FATHERS OF BILLIONS OF HINDU WHO ARE ALIVE TODAY AND SPEAK AGAINST ISLAM -ONLY BECAUSE MUSLIMS DID NOT FORCE THEM INTO ISLAM THE WHOLE 800 HUNDRED YEARS THEY RULED INDIA – AND U SHAMELESSLY PROCLAIM THAT ISLAM IS THE MOST HATED RELIGION – YES I KNOW OT IS ONLY HATED BY UNGRATEFUL IDIOTS LIKE U
    The Qur’an says:

    ["Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. " (Qur'an 2:256)]

    EVEN A KID HAS BETTER KNOWLEDGE THAT TRASH WHAT UR FANATIC HINDU HISTORIANS WRITE AGAINST AURANGAZEB AND MUSLIMS

  42. rocky
    Posted July 30, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    —how many times do i have to tell u to plz stop repeating the same sentences again and again.
    —how many times do i have to tell u that all the shit that u wrote about vedas and slokas are fake.
    —how many times do i have to tell u that if u want to read about vedas than buy geniun books from well reputed place like HARIDWAR and not from some chunking sites for free.
    —how times do i have to tell u to read the history books if u want to know more about AURANGZEB or u can even ask any child of primary school.
    —how many times do i have to tell u that ur sentences and words are senseless & fake which are often spoken by degraded human beings like u.

    as of me speaking that ISLAM is most hated religion..i mean the ISLAM of this age is hated and is corrupted and full of degraded peoples like u. in fact i have always liked the ISLAM of old india, the king AKBAR, SHARJAHAN and his forefathers were also muslims but they were nice fellows and worthy of being called muslim, not like u who is big taaboo on ISLAM. ever heard of AKBAR or such great king criticising hinduism?…infact king AKBAR’s most beloved minister BIRBAL was also hindu and served rightfully to his king.
    but the thingh with muslims of this age like u always use to criticise other religions, i bet even ur ALLAH must be ashamed of u guys, we hindus never criticise any religion unless started by others like in this case where u started first.

    SUFI786 REPLY TO ROCKY

    Man I call it off now – If u are comfortable with these deeds of ur gods then be ur own guest – I will not prsue the topic – further- and about Aurangazeb what is written in Indian histroy books is by British divide and rule idiots and ur own fanatic Hindu Parivar Sang – did u forget the recent tampering of the history books in the schools by the Fanatic sang privarr ruled sates – it was an open outrage and propaganda against muslims and the like of Aurangazeb – who by the way has been unfairly demonized by Britsh and Hindu Historians to play the communal card for their own respective advantage- I f u dont know go and study history u will learn that the ARMY GENERAL OF AURANGAZEB was a HINDU – IF Aurangzeb was a fanatic that will the last thing he would do – but he wasent that is why kept and trusted a Hindu commander for his army – the most Important proof that Aurangazeb was not a fanatic is YOU – IF he was a fanatic who forced hindu into Islam – then you would be a Muslim today and not speaking against him but for him – Lol -

    Any way U called me fanatic – it is ok if showing the truth is fanatic and then be it – u can call me fanatic – anyway good bye have a good day

  43. rocky
    Posted July 30, 2008 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    waste ohhhh waste… its totally waste of my good energy and thinking that we are bros here.
    u won happy now.

  44. rocky
    Posted July 30, 2008 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    good bye for final bro sufy786, this fight u started has no end & conclusion so better for me to leave it here.
    take care.

    ASLAM MALEKUM (happy now )

  45. rocky
    Posted July 30, 2008 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    one last thingh- WE HINDU AND MUSLIMS ARE CONSIDERED BROTHERS FROM THE BEGINING IF U KNOW, AND WHENEVER WE HAVE FOUGHT TOGETHER an OUTSIDER HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT & i dont need to give any refereance or proof for this.
    i have understood this thingh and hope u too get this soon, this kind of fight on net is OK but its worst whenever these brothers (hindu muslim) take this personal in real life..
    take care.

  46. rocky
    Posted July 30, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    hey bro ru doctor for real? i mean i thought u must be a student of around 24 yrs.
    what kind of doctor u are? ru surgan? where do u stay?

  47. rocky
    Posted July 30, 2008 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    i think u should also start a new blog to make ur other muslim brothers understand who r in terrorism, like BIN LADEN, DAUD IBRAHIM and guys who recently bombed ahmedabad.
    if u have the guts to make peoples of other religion follow ISLAM than u should also try this…
    afterall its good for our mother earth, and ur ALLAH will be pleased with u when u do this for real.

    SUFI786 REPLY TO ROCKY

    I HATE Bin Laden In the Name of Islam he has Justified Killing of Civilians ,women and children, and have nothing to say for him – I am against terrorism of all kinds – whether Hindu or Muslim terrorism -
    I am against them – Bin Laden has nothing to do with Teachings of Islam which forbid killing women and children – he takes the name of Islam – but that does not make him a true follower of Islam .

    Talking about me writing against terrorism and Bin Laden I have already done so in this blog ,If only you would have bothered to read it .

    http://truereligiondebate.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/who-speaks-for-islam-with-ray-suarez-hamza-yusuf/

    THANK YOU

  48. bholu
    Posted August 3, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    @rocky
    u know u can only wake up a sleeping man..
    u cant wake up a person whos already awake..
    there are ppl who understand things the hard way.. so no need to make this fellow who calls himself sufi786 understand anything , ppl like him are shame on humanity…. may the allmighty help him.. and his fellow ppl ..
    he only says wt his parents or community has taught him.. we all do it that way.. but we hindus dont challenge any religon..
    this was for sufi786 and rocky let me tell u one thing that ppl behind gujrat and banglore will not be spaired.. everything has an end ,,soon all this will also end up..
    may allmighty bless there soles….
    ishwar whome muslims call as allaha is seeing wt all these ppl are doing in his name…. they will not be spaired…………

    @sufi786..
    shame on u .. i thought ur a good hearted person….
    ur shame for humanity, islaam, ur parents, ur society, ur country… ur a big shame

    SUFI786 REPLY TO BHOLU

    OK man cool down – whoever is behind Killing of Innocent will not be spared – whether Hindu or Muslim – May Allah curse those who kill in the name of Ram or Allah – Not to mention the Gujrat thing was sarted by Hindu fanatics – may GOD CURSE THEM

    Bholu u are a shame for calling me a shame on my family because u fail to send shame on ur shameful gods like Brahama who Rape their own daughters – not to mention they have raped their own servants wife’s many times – remember Indra who raped the wife of god men OR RISHI – Shame on you Bholu and shame on your gods ;

    Go in peace – it is easy to criticize people who show the reality of your so called supposed gods – but it is hard to accepts ones own gods being rapist – Thank You

    PS – I KNOW YOUR TRUE GOD BAGHWAN DID NOT DO SUCH FILTHY ACTS OF RAPE – BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE FORMLESS GOD OF ALL HUMANS AND FREE FROM SUCH FILTH- IT IS ONLY YOUR SO CALLED PAGAN DEMI gODS WHO ARE NOTHING BUT HUMANS – HUMANS OF THE WORST KIND – WHO DO SUCH FILTH – BAGHWAN IS PURE – HOPE YOU CAN GET SOME SANITY BACK IN YOUR RELIGION BY THIS ADVICE

    “Ekam evadvitiyam”
    “He is One only without a second.”
    [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
    2.

    “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
    “Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
    3.

    “Na tasya pratima asti”
    “There is no likeness of Him.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
    4.

    The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

    “Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”

    “His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
    [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

  49. bholu
    Posted August 4, 2008 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    sufi786..
    lets not divide humanity brother..
    well ur very right that hindu religon is full of surprises no doubt in that..
    many a times i think on this but lets not forget we all should not say any thing without knowing and moreover if we say somthing which we dont know we should hv a bias free disscussion on it hope u get it..
    yaar sufi ever wondered wt in real are u trying to do in life .. or lets start with wt are u doing to upgrade ur religon which ppl in ur community hv disgrased so much .. u know wt ppl of other religon think about islaam yaar .. try do do somthing about that .. religon is an on going process and should not be restricted in some defined lines or rituals ..
    by putting some religon down u can never let ur religon b ecome or called the greatest.. give it a deep thought ..
    and i think for ur question u started the blog has been ANSWERED in blog REPLY #3,5,6 and 10 if u REALLY wont to UNDERSTAND..
    i will go with abcd’s thinking that main thing to focus now is global warming .. which is a fact and the count down has began.. if we dont do anything about this there will be no hindu or muslim left to debate stupid religon topics like this..
    grow up yaar there is nothing well get from all this childish things.. its time to be orignal sufi 786….
    i am a strong beliver of baba nizaam who was real sufi..
    may be thats the reason i answer u back again and again, i feel some link wd u that ways.. otherwise i would not hv take so much pain to make u understand..
    may my baba nizaam show u some path.. and may u enjoy the real life friend..
    bye take care

  50. Sativares
    Posted August 5, 2008 at 1:42 am | Permalink

    To Sufi786: (sorry for dubble post if you got it) Who says that demigods was/is made of flesh? As I see, it is cosmic energies that exist here and now in the precent.
    Why think the demi gods incest would be same with today’s human incest? These demi gods is only parts of this univers; without them you wouldn’t exist! They are everywhere, but to big for you to look at, to many for you to see which one is which.
    I think you making incest within yourself by producing living cells in your body. From one cell you get plenty of cells. I think you need to understand the root of how ONE THING can get PLENTY OF THINGS.
    Where in veda says that we humans should make incest with our sons and daughters?
    But if you go back to the root, then you would know that everyone here on earth are brother and sisters, coming from one source, so that means that we are going on with our incest since beginning, but with more spreadness. As far as we travel in time, as more we think we don’t make any incest. But all energy on earth is same as from beginning. It can’t be destroyed only reform itself. So that means that we are making sex with ourself, over and over again and producing same bodies from the dead people. Of course you shall not in this age make incest with your near brother n sister, but insteed make incest with your far sister n brother ;) But skip this talk, this belongs to Maya. Maya will always be dirty likewise as your toilet visiting you make everyday. Demi gods is for maya, but you have something beyond them, beyond the material world. Gita tells that demigods exists, but you shouldn’t pray to them or you will come back to this illusion again that god made together with these demigods. I have come far and reached Brahman, gods impersonal energy, energy of pure white love, an exctase of happiness ect. But my aim is to force myself through this impersonal beam and reach his inner personal beam and meet God and be with him forever after I die. So Gita wants everyone to reach some goal as me. It is silly to dragging Veda into the mud, becouse it tells about the reallity that Gita wants us to go away from. So, I hope you can understand for now on that Krishna won’t like you if you making sex with your sister, only people with lesser intelligence can make up such a story. I’m talking about in a pure way and hope you can understand some of it atleast. Wish I could write in a better way, but unfortunally I am a Swed guy =) So long!

    SUFI786 REPLY TO SATIVARES

    WAKE UP MAN FIRST LISTEN TO WHAT LORD KRISHNA HAS TO SAY TO DEMI gods worshiping FOOLS LIKE YOU AND STOP MAKING STORIES -LOL

    “Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
    [Bhagavad Gita 7:20]

  51. rocky
    Posted August 7, 2008 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    so its still on huh? ………….
    dont forget that we are in the END OF KALYUG era ,(Maha Pralay) ULTIMATE DISSOLUTION can take place at any time now as described in vedas… so i think instead of fighting here about who’s religion is great we should pray ALMIGHTY to bless us and forgive our sins if possible..
    even scientists are telling that the world will end around 2015 …..

  52. Sativares
    Posted August 26, 2008 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    SUFI786:

    I am more awake than you are, I guess. The quote you sent me is for those folks that worshiping the material world and its demigods for material desires. As long you have desire of material things and worshiping demigods you won’t have any entrence to gods kingdom (the spiritual world [vaikuntha] where no demigods or material things exist. Only souls that are surrendered to lord Krishna may have entrence there). The closest the demi gods can come is to the supersoul and the supersoul is 100% spiritual, but gods kingdom isn’t there, it is inside the supersoul. And the supersoul is called Brahman and are gods impersonal spititual energy. Maybe you thougt I wrote about the demigod Brahma! Brahman is not a demigod like Brahma is. Everything comes from Brahman, such as your soul and permeate everything, your body, the universe, demigods, ect. But for those folks that wish for material desires can’t even reach Brahman, the supersoul. And they are even futher away to understand who god really is! So I can’t understand you why you think I am worshiping demigods when I said to you that “my only wish is to come and be with Krishna when I die”, Krishna, Allah, Jehovah – whatever. I have reached Brahman but I can’t enter the spirital world inside the Brahman. But how can I reach it then? Not when I am a human, though. I have to live in this material world, but I have to cut every material desires, even sex!** And I have to surrender and work for Krishna till my life ends. If I really want to live in his kingdom and have been a good man without to spend my thougts on material desires, then I will automaticaly be pushed throuh Brahmans light beam and enter the spiritual world with Krishnas acceptance.

    Come back and talk when you’re cleaned from all material contaminations. Bhagavad Gita as I see makes you confused and makes you build weird pictures in your mind, so it may not be your way to search god. You need to read it with intelligence, becouse it is for the people with with intellicence that should read this book. And everyone that is borned on this earth doesn’t have this intelligence to understand gods details and for those you have other religions that you don’t have to understand much, only accept and then it’s good. As long you feel it’s wrong what it says, then you are far away from the real trues in Veda. But for me I have needs to understand things in details, becouse I am a man like that, so Veda is my way to reach god. You can keep on reading your Koran, it is much easier for you. You don’t have to think much, only surrender to Allah with love and abstain from everything that is evil, such as killing people in gods name, drink alcohol, stop making sex, ect.

    Peace

    **Sex is a strong force to keep your thougts on the material level insteed of to have them on spiritual level. But it isn’t wrong to create a family, raise them and love them when you are young, but you can’t make sex till you die and think of your family when your body dies or have worries about them all the time, becouse you will have more desires to be in the material world than to the spiritual world.
    To reach Brahman, for example, then you have to flee from your body, brain, time and room to reach the spiritual world, but if I would even think of something for only 0.0000000001 sec in Brahman or have any contact like 0.0000000001 sec with my material body, then I will be throwen out from Brahman with an eye blink, and comeback into my body again in time and room, so it is importent to be 100% clean from all material contaminations, even 99.9999999x% of cleaness is not enough to reach Brahman!

  53. Kicha
    Posted September 18, 2008 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    This topic is not necessary for discussing. This is stupid way. Hindus believe their religion and understand well with good reason. Dont do this type of comments or discussions or wrong steps for religious struggle.

  54. lukraj devkota
    Posted September 23, 2008 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    no one knows well about God but we must believe the power of Universe and gonna better if u analyse, evaluate things in positive way so every body come on we live together happilly, no need to fight each other, no need to complain about God’s matter. Who think good for God, god will be in your side otherwise you will not win, so come on be happy and believe in barama, bishnu, maheswor, allah, jesus, buddha etc…. all r really true God.

  55. Umesh Kumar
    Posted September 24, 2008 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    to sufi786 and all others,

    guys, while discussing religion, you all are arguing only the human manifestation of god. did u take a second to think from where these other forms of living being (birds, animals, fishes, insects etc.) came. Only humans have god and they can only discuss about the human manifestation of god.

    you need a certain level of consciousness to understand the holy scripture The Geeta and The Vedas and The Vedant Theory. You all are observing and proving your religion on the basis of Karma. Develop a conscious level so that you can think above of being only a human and this material body and this material world. What is written in books or said by human’s is only the human perception of this world and universe. but this universe is beyond our(human’s) perception.
    I am Hindu,
    I am a Christian,
    I am a Budhist,
    and follower of any religion only
    as long as i consider my self a body and mind, but above this conscious level there is NO I, NO YOU. there is only ONE, manifested in different living, non-living, seen, unseen forms.
    this is what i perceived, born as a Hindu.

    sufi786, you always type in capital letter, which shows your ego. i don’t consider what your religion is? but one thing for sure, ego is the root cause of all devils.
    sufi786, can you again request your prophet or god, to come and prove his(as said by u that he is certainly a man without showing any proof) almighty.
    the whole world would like to see your god, ordering them to follow your religion.
    otherwise stop crying about your religion.
    it only sounds good some one crying that only he is right as he listened or read a concept/idea from a book.
    Just remember, it does not matter what you read or listened about this life or world or universe. But what matter most is, what you perceived setting your self as a being (beyond living and non-living).

  56. Umesh Kumar
    Posted September 24, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    sufi786,

    just try to get these lines,

    I am Hindu. Born as a Hindu.
    NO I, NO YOU. There is only ONE.

    Read The Vedas, The Geeta, The Vedanta philosophy, but do it under a guru(he will not necessarily ask you to first be a Hindu in order to understand The Sanatana Dharma, as you are crying and dying before people to adopt Islam), who first lift you upto a certain level of consciousness, so that you can understand the religions beyond you current body and mental level.

  57. Posted September 25, 2008 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    hallo All of you

    i have read this all i feel you all Away from truth

    if you now truth you can love each other

    that story of brahma or story of quran or bibel

    you can now with perfect master.

  58. Umesh Kumar
    Posted September 27, 2008 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    HINDUISM AND IDOL WORSHIP || OM ||
    Idolatry does not find any support from Vedas. In chapter 32 of Yajurveda it has been said that God Supreme or Supreme Spirit has no ‘Pratima’ or material shape. He cannot be seen directly by anyone. His name is so great that only the Name is enough to invoke Him. He pervades all beings and all directions.

    As God is formless and his name is enough, syllables comprising the words may, therefore, be taken as adequate representation. What God is like? The answer is, it is like the word ‘God’ containing the syllables G, O, D. The most striking example of this is the word ‘Om’ which means God in spiritual and material form. Thus according to the Vedas God neither has any image nor He resides in any particular idol or statue.

    However we find that Hindu temples are filled with images or idols of gods and goddesses. This phenomenon can be easily understood if we try to know the necessity of assumptions. If we teach a child at nursery stage that ‘A’ stands for ‘apple’ we are making an assumption for easy learning of a letter of alphabet. While teaching geometry the teacher draws a triangle and says, “Let ABC be a triangle”. The word ‘let’ is used here because the lines forming the triangle are not really lines according to the definition of a line. A line, by definition, has length but no breadth. How to draw such a line on a blackboard? Breadth invariably accompanies length whenever one attempts to draw a line. Hence one has to use the word ‘let.’ One has to assume that what has been drawn is a line. Similarly, geometry asks us to assume a point also. A point is defined as having neither length, nor breadth nor thickness. It is without any dimension; still we try to draw it on a blackboard. What we draw is practically a circle, but it is assumed to be a point. A true triangle and a true point exist only in definitions. Yet we have to proceed on the assumption that they actually exist.

    As the mind cannot concentrate itself on a formless being or spiritual form of Supreme Being one has to assume God in some visible object or image. During the Vedic period there were neither temples nor images or idols of deities. So God was invoked through the fire kindled for havan materials. The seers of Upanishads discarded the practice of havans and concentrated on Imperishable ‘Om’. When the Buddhism and Jainism flourished in India the idols or statues of Gautam Buddha and Vardhaman Mahavir got much popularity. To rejuvenate Hinduism different images of God varied in shape according to different names of God came into existence. One may say that it resulted in spread of superstition in Hinduism. Yet it is a fact that all temples, mosques, churches and other religious buildings are also idols and images where God does not come to reside. It is weakness of the man that he likes human shape. So majars (graves) of Sufi saints among Muslims and crucified figure of Jesus Christ in the churches command much reverence. In the same way personification of different names of God and giving different forms to them have helped sculptors to make statues or idols that may find place in temples to be adored by devotees.

    We can say that idolatry, in whatever form it may be, is based on assumption that God comes to a sacred place (building) or resides in a statue. There is no harm in going to temples or other places of worship. There is also no harm in saluting the image or images of God. However it must be clear to every one that no temple or an idol kept there enjoys any supernatural power. As the spiritual form of Supreme Being cannot be conceived through sense-organs and material form of Supreme Being (Virat) is the cosmos which also cannot be fathomed by the mind, so a devotee may concentrate on syllables or some image of his liking. As one’s folding of hands or touching of feet to give reverence to one’s father and mother actually reaches them; so any salute or reverence shown to an image thinking that the salute or reverence is meant for God really goes to God.

  59. Lia~Rei
    Posted October 12, 2008 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    I believe in the One true God outlined in the Bible. I believe that there is only one way to heaven and that is through Jesus Christ. And because I believe this I want to teach people the truth about my faith so that they too can see the truth that I believe in.

    I can understand your mission in pointing out atrocities in different mythologies, (myth simply meaning unproven history, therefore the Bible, Torah, Qur’an and Vedas are all myths in this scenario) and then providing the goodness of one’s own beliefs. However. You are going about this the wrong way. Using multiple ‘!!!’ and capital letters does not prove a point. It proves ignorance and makes you sound like you are shouting. When you are discussing someone else’s faith you need to be calm, reasoning and understanding of what they believe.

    You may also want to brush up on your history. Before Islam the Middle East and Arabic peoples were polytheistic. These gods were just as human as Indian gods and Greek gods. The name ‘Allah’ was actually the same name as the moon god for which the Islamic faith takes the cresent. Since the beginning of Islam, the Prophet Mohammed made it a monotheistic religion worshipping Elohim, YHWH, The God of Abraham, The God of Jacob, The God of David, The God of Israel, just under the name of Allah, a more popular deity of the time. But like it or not the area surrounding Islam’s birth was in fact polytheistic.

    Also. God created Adam and Eve. And their children did intermarry. God created Adam and Eve to live forever, therefore he gave them perfect molecular structures. This allowed a wide variety of children to be born from the two. Even disregarding this. One may also conclude that all life extends from Noah and his three sons. Three sons who had children who also had to marry between cousins.

    None of this is a ‘joke’ as you often respond to comments as. It is all historical fact. You may want to read some of it. If you can learn more about your religion and other religions you will move from bashing other people to being able to rationally explain why you believe them to be wrong. Which you are incapable of doing now. When/if you do respond, please keep your argument logical, with capital letters only at the beginning of sentences and names, and refrain from using multiple punctuation.

  60. Zaki Shafqat
    Posted October 16, 2008 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Alhamdullilah i am a Muslim and proud to be a Muslim. Just wants to say to the Sufi Sahib that i respect u and i can see u have a vast knowledge about Hinduism. But i do not think the way you are preaching Islam is right. The way you are disrespecting Hindu’s is wrong. You should stay in to your manners and a have a nice debate without any swearing or insulting. I hope you got me. Anyway nice to read interesting facts about Hinduism and i heard lots of other stories as well in Hinduism but i do not think it’s necessary to share here.

  61. Posted October 30, 2008 at 5:37 am | Permalink

    @Sufi : really appreciate the level of knowledge that you have.
    But my brother, please use the best ways possible to make these people see the truth. I know your intention here is to show that the so called “hindu sceriptures” do not show the right qualities of God and they are full of contradictions.
    I would like to bring a quran ayat(not sure if it is hadeeth but I have heard it a lot) that says we should discuss these things with them in good ways.
    Your knowledge is good. I think people here are failing to get the point that you are trying to “educate” your fellow indian and friends of hindu religion that they should awake and see the truth for themselves.
    I know we can all be friends and still discuss our differences. I dont have to agree to my friend or my brother even if he is wrong just becasue he is my friend or brother. that is a lame argument. If I really love him I would let him know if he is doing something wrong or has some wrong information. that is exactly what sufi is trying to do.

  62. Ajay Gupta
    Posted November 3, 2008 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    I read this all and fell bad that i wasted almost 1 hr of my time, but can’t just go away. Silly people busy proving a point which it self is not correctly and completely understood till date. Every one wrote a version and all started believing it to be right and some even went to believe it to be the only one true form and supreme.

    Let me ask you Mr. Sufi786, why you have to call yourself a “SUFI” and followed by a sacred number in Islam? Do you want me to take you a representative of Islam? Spare me, I don’t find you worth it. What is that “Superman” picture suppose to mean? Just take a minute and think what you are and what you are pottering.

    People, there are certainly many things in this world which needs urgent attention, some of them as serious as preserving the human life itself, than debating with a person who appears to be overwhelmed with his own story. You people appear to have lot of knowledge, so may I appeal you to direct your efforts to the urgent causes and stop enforcing your understanding of someone’s believe and thought on others.

  63. Mahira
    Posted November 17, 2008 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Okay wow. I have a few things to say to the guy who started this blog website. I understand that you’re trying to spread the message of islam. But honestly the way you’re going about doing it is extremely offensive. Just look at your comments and think of what impression of islam you’re giving to other people. You will never be able to convince someone of the truth of ur religion or belief by offending their own. Don’t you think that others will think ur own religion taught you no morals at all if you’re going around trash talking like this? I’m a muslim myself and after reading this website was quite ashamed of your conduct as a muslim towards hindus.

    There are hadiths about and commandments of allah that say “do not even abuse someone’s false god for he might turn around and abuse your true god”. This is your belief that their gods are false, but Hindus respect them a lot and look at them as divine beings just like we respect Allah a lot. You’re abusing their gods today, tommorow they’ll abuse Allah. And them abusing allah will not be their sin, it’ll be more of your own sin coz you tempted them into abusing allah.

    And another thing i’ll tell you is that Holy Prophet never once disrespected any one else’s religion or beliefs. He always told his people to treat everyone and their religion with respect. Always told his followers to respect their gods and prophets so they don’t hurt the feelings of the non muslims. He always advised ppl to preach with love and respect. The way you’re going about it, all you have accomplished is to make the few hindus visiting the website hate you and to think that islam is an intolerant religion teaching its followers to degrade other religions.

    And my dear friend, if you’ve ever read the Quran, first of all, it says it’s not your job to convert people. Your job is limited to spreading the word. Whether someone accepts the religion or not is up to Allah/God/Bhagwan to put it in their hearts to realize what God wants them to follow. it says so itself in the Quran. you can’t tell someone they should convert nor can you force conversion on someone through violence and dirty language. And another thing it says in the Quran is that if you want to preach to someone, Come to common terms with them. And trust me there’s a lot of common terms you can come to even with Hinduism and Islam. I’d like to refer you to the website and videos clips of Dr. Zakir Naik. Hopefully you can learn something from him. Coz i’m sorry to say that im truly disgusted with your blog. You may be right about the incest and rape and inappropriate behaviour displayed by the hindu gods, but it gives you no right to disrespect them to this level. B/c believe it or not, God sent prophets to every single nation and all the people in the world. Meaning prophets were sent to Hindus as well. Now if unfortunately they gave those prophets the status of God like Krishna and Ram that’s their problem. But for you to disrespect any of their Gods, you don’t know if you may be disrespecting someone who was sent as a prophet of God. So think twice before you post any more comments.

  64. Chandreeka Parsad
    Posted December 15, 2008 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    I have gone through all postings and I can assure you that I am not fanatic of my religion- In all religions there have been controversies/distortions/myths /additions to their holy books and NO-ONE can say for sure that what has been said in either the bible ,the vedas ,the Coran or any of the religious books are totally true;no-one can say that his or her religion is the best ;no-one has the right to force a person to convert to his or her religion nor take merit marks for this conversion ; no- one can ascertain that all prophets / devas /saints who came on earth were true prophets and true devas – Many serious scientific articles have hinted that some could have been simple victims of schizophrenia,a disease unknown in the very far past , or victims of hallucinations – We(inhabitants of Planet Earth ) therefore cannot be 100% certain that the reports/holy books as we inherited them are true reports In this era ,people have to be broad-minded to accept that 2000-3000 years back and up to the 14th century there were no reliable records and many records may have been falsified ;we have to reason it out and what should cast away from these reports as belonging to a past era should be cast away ; we should only retain what is relevant and what is GOOD- From all our holy books we should retain the one ETERNAL MESSAGE – BE GOOD&DO GOOD-
    Religions and followers of any religion should act as a messengers of peace and goodness as this is what GOD wants – There is only one God and this god whether he is known as Bhagwan ,Allah , Elohim ,God , Dieu he is the same- as long as people do not realise this we will always be in the presence of people who think their own religion is best -At this juncture you inhabitants of the world should seriously reflect on what you can do to stop this reign of terrorism – It is ironic to see that this terrorism is not caused by followers of Brahma or Jesus but followers of Islam – Where did Islam go wrong in conveying the message of peace -Why is your people killing in the name of GOD and in the name of the faith that you are so proud of -The real issue is here -What are you doing to stop this carnage and death of innocents -Everywhere where your religion is concerned ,there is war eg Pakistan ,Kashmir ,India , Irak ,Nigeria,Somalia,Afghanistan,Iran,Algeria,Libya,Ethiopia,Sudan,Bosnia,Kosovo,Indonesia,Chechnya,Palestine,Wasiristan all conflicts are based because of the same religion – -What are you doing to this increasing number of people who have come to hate you because you represent the end of all true moral and true religious and godly values_ I do not think your prophet wanted it this way ….
    -In Uk ,India ,France,America and so many countries of the world people of all religions are co-inhabiting peacefully -Can you tell me why this is not possible in islamic states-why all hindus who stayed in Pakistan post-partition have all moved back to India and why muslims in India are still in India -You should deeply reflect on this as our muslim brothers are living peacefully in the land of Brahma-Ask yourself why somebody who is not a muslim is never willing to immigrate to an islamic state -why ???? is there any place in your heart or land for non-muslims -where is the tolerance of Islam ?
    The issue today is not to see what the Gods did and what the Prophet said – Do not delve in the past but address the present as the past is bringing you to troubled waters …

  65. ramudu
    Posted January 6, 2009 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Hello Sufi 786. I hope you are as you want to assert the supremacy of your religion. There is nothing wrong in that but why do you want to denigrate other religions to do that? Sufi. Just ponder my question to you. Why do Muslims consider the Druiz who belong to an Islamic sect and who practise real tolerance and coexistence towards other faith as non-Muslim as they do the peace-loving Bahais? The real crux of any religion is peace, univeral peace and co-existence. But you cant understand that because though you seem to know a lot about Hindu scriptures you dont get the real meaning of the same. You quote other religions but as long as you view it through the prism of your religion, without opening your mind to sane vistas of thought, you cant understand one word of Hinduism. Hinduism does not ask anyone to convert. You can still be a Hindu and criticise the very religion. In fact, if there were people like Zakir Husain, Hamid Ansari and Abdul Kalam who occupied top positions in this country, it is beacuse of Hindus’ innate tolerance. Do you get into ur brain, at least now? Step out of the confines of ur madrassa and be open to other religions. If you do that, you will see wisdom in all reigions, including your own. It will emancipate you. Otherwise, you will be only indulging in brazen acts of terrorism taking other peoples’ lives and also your own, in the false belief that such acts will enable you to enter paradise. Cultivate tolerance, this is my advice to you. If you still want to insist on the supremacy of your religion, you are welcome to do so. Stop being obsessed with your religion. Religion is only a guide to better living, i should not be life itself. Hope you, understand.

  66. Gaurav
    Posted January 23, 2009 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    There is only one thing i noticed that the words written by sufi is really disgusting way to show that other religions are down and his one is above …. Sufi, all the things told by you were in a shameful manner. As its written in every religion that god is one its just how we call him and worship him so, in other way u r insulting every religion and even yours …
    It is so shameful to even think in the way you wrote.

  67. vasudev
    Posted January 26, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    isn’t it nice to know that the hindus never took those sex stories literally? see how intelligent a people the indus are that they can understand the spiritual from the literal. those who follow the literal very sincerely are no better than the dumb animals. so grow up! become human!

  68. Muhammad Rizwan
    Posted January 29, 2009 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    To All the Non-Muslims here.

    Most of You say tat we have mistakened the actual meaning of the above verses.

    And u without any satisfactory answers just defend urselves & ur practices saying tat v lie.

    Can u suggest the actual meaning of these verses or in ur words “The Spiritual meaning” of those mentioned in ur hOLY sCRIPTURES as mentioned above & in all the other posts in this website if u r truthful?

    Which language do u all understand?

    If u r such knowledgeable, then y weren’t u appointed as the Priest of any of the highest religious institutions of Hindus?

    Why were ppl like Acharya Sanjay Dwivedi appointed to the posts like the President of All INDIA BRAHMIN ASSOCIATION, The Priest of Birla group of temples?

    If u say that those who talk against Hinduism are fools then y did u appoint Acharya Sanjay Dwivedi at tat post who is now saying tat Hinduism is false?

    Indirectly u r calling All the hindus as fools coz they were the ones who appointed him..

    And Acharya Sanjay Dwivedi is not the only one such case.. I’m quoting him coz he is the best example to ur arguments..

    He is the one who has read all ur hOLY sCRIPTURES & after knowing the actual meaning had the heart to embrace The True Religion of Islam.

    If u don’t know who he is, just google his name & read..

    And Umar Rao from Mysore, Ex-Brahmin & the member of RSS. Listen to him. Then u judge urself..

    And we aren’t criticizing anyone or any Religion..
    We are just showing u the facts..

  69. bholu
    Posted February 23, 2009 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    hi rizawaan wt religion were you having before jew or some other.??
    y do u ppl do all this non sence and make urselves sound so foolish..or do u think by doing so allah(who i know as ishwar) will be very pleased by u.. think about it and dont be stupid like ur foolish brothers..
    if u guys cant do good for ur religion at least dont make it so hateful by ur stupidities……
    rather than wasting ur time here teaching us all wt ur bird brain cant digest..
    go and help pak who is anytime going to be attacked by us or go to israle and have balls to be with thm in their time of need.. and show ur ppl ur a true muslim..
    I am sorry but u started it.. u get wt u give others.. try giving thm love and see…. hope u get it now..


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