JESUS CHRIST HAS DENIED MOST OF THE PRESENT CHRISTIANS – JESUS WAS THE FIRST CHRIST DENIER

Mark 14:32 “and he (Jesus) saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray.”
Luke 3:21: “Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened.”
Luke 6:12: “And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.”
Luke 22:44 “And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.”
Matthew 26:39: “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

Jesus was the first CHRIST DENIER

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Jesus never worshiped himself and never ordered any Christians to worship or pray to him

On the contrary Jesus worshiped the one true God of Abraham 

He showed the way to his disciples and Christians to worship

ONLY THE FATHER OR THE ONE TRUE GOD OF ABRAHAM

So Jesus became the FIRST CHRIST DENIER i.e JESUS BECAME THE FIRST CHRISTIAN TO DENY CHRIST WORSHIP

JESUS CHRIST HAS DENIED MOST OF THE PRESENT CHRISTIANS TODAY FOR FALSELY WORSHIPING CHRIST WHEN HE NEVER EVER ORDERED THEM TO DO SO !!!

SO KINDLY THINK ALL SO CALLED CHRISTIANS ARE YOU TRULY A CRISTIAN i.e THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF CHRIST???!!! 

CONCLUDING REMARKS QUOTED FROM

Tom Harpur says:

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“In fact, unless we are prepared to believe that his prayer-

dependence on God was nothing more than a sham for our

edification, a mere act to set us a good example, it is impossible

to cling to the orthodox teaching that Jesus was really God

Himself walking about in human form, the Second Person of the

Trinity. The concept of God praying – let alone praying to

Himself – is incomprehensible to me. To say that it was simply

the human side of Jesus talking to God the Father (rather than

his own divine nature as Son of God) is to posit a kind of

schizophrenia that is incompatible with any belief in Jesus’ full

humanity”

For Christ’s Sake, pp. 42-43.

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6 ‘Do not give what is holy to dogs; and do not throw your pearlsbefore swine, or they will trample them under foot and turn andmaul you.
Ask, Search, Knock
7 ‘Ask, and it will be given to you; search, and you will find;knock, and the door will be opened for you.
8For everyone who asks receives, and everyone who searchesfinds, and for everyone who knocks, the door will be opened.
9Isthere anyone among you who, if your child asks for bread, will give a stone?
10Or if the child asks for a fish, will give a snake?
11If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to yourchildren, how much more will your Father in heaven give goodthings to those who ask him!
The Golden Rule
12 ‘In everything do to others as you would have them do to you;for this is the law and the prophets.
The Narrow Gate
13 ‘Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and theroad is easy that leads to destruction, and there are many whotake it.
14For the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads tolife, andthere are few who find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit
15 ‘Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’sclothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16You will know themby their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?
17In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the badtree bears bad fruit.
18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree beargood fruit.
19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down andthrowninto the fire.
20Thus you will know them by their fruits.
Concerning Self-Deception
21 ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter thekingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
22On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we notprophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, anddo many deeds of power in your name?”
23Then I will declare tothem, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.”
Hearers and Doers
24 ‘Everyone then who hears these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.
25The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat onthat house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on rock.
26And everyone who hears these words of mine and does notacton them will be like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
27The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew andbeatagainst that house, and it fell—and great was its fall!’
28 Now when Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were astounded at his teaching,
29for he taught them as one having authority, and not as theirscribes.
Matthew 7:6-24 

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  1. Sirius
    Posted March 9, 2008 at 1:43 am | Permalink

    So what do you make of the Biblical fact that Jesus allowed others to worship Him without so much as a rebuke? Or the fact that he repeatedly stated, “I and the Father are One” or the fact that he was convicted of blasphemy by the Sanhedrin?

    You appear to be a Muslim, are you not? I have it on good Authority that Islam is a sham. In fact, I’ve always been intrigued by the similarities between the origins of Muhammad’s false religion and the cult of Mormonism: two “prophets” receiving secret instruction from alleged angels that contradict and castigate the Word God has already revealed as being allegedly corrupted by its “evil” followers.

    I doubt you’ll keep these comments on your blog. You’ll pretend my comments just didn’t really happen, just like you believe Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection never really happened. Thus, you dishonor Jesus Christ who said that He would be killed by evil men but would rise again on the third day.

    Islam is little more than contradiction. I’ve always had a hard time taking it seriously. How do you explain the first few verse of John’s Gospel? Will you answer me? Or has Islam never been a thinking man’s religion? Is that why you quote a man’s opinion rather than the Scriptures? Men are fallible. Only God is infallible and only a Book written under the inspirartion of God could be wholly infallible. I have Truth on my side; you have only Muhammad. What really went on in that cave? An angelic visitation or creative, but altogether natural inspiration?

    –Sirius Knott

  2. sufi786
    Posted March 9, 2008 at 2:09 am | Permalink


    Sirius

    SAID

    So what do you make of the Biblical fact that Jesus allowed others to worship Him without so much as a rebuke? Or the fact that he repeatedly stated, “I and the Father are One” or the fact that he was convicted of blasphemy by the Sanhedrin?

    MY REPLY :

    SIRUS GROW UP – PLEASE

    “I and the Father are One” or the fact that he was convicted of blasphemy by the Sanhedrin?

    DID JESUS SAID I AM GOD – NO WHY – BECAUSE HE IS NOT GOD

    JESUS SAID I AND FATHER ARE ONE – BUT HE DID NOT SAY I AND MY FATHER ARE GOD
    - PLEASE WAKE UP FROM YOUR BAD DREAM AND ILLUSIONS AND DON’T PUT YOUR WORDS INTO JESUS MOUTH AND MAKE A MOCKERY OF JESUS CHRIST !!!

    Let us look at John 10:30 “I (Jesus) and the Father are One.” This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: “…Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are One.”

    These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either’s hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God’s equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, ” My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL…,” in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

    Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 “That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us. I in
    them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE”. In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods.

    Of the verse in question, “I and the Father are One” in (John 10:30), we also need to take note of the verses following the 30th verse in the text. In those verses, the Jews accuse Jesus falsely of claiming to be God by these words. He however replies, proving their accusation wrong by their own text: “The Jews answered him saying,’For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God ‘” (John 10:33).

    Jesus replies to this accusation saying: “Jesus answered them, ‘Is it not written in your Law, “I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, “Thou blasphemeth,” because I said I am the son of God?’” (John 10:34-36).

    Let us look at Acts 2:22 “O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you…” Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.

    PLEASE MY FRIEND JUST SHOW ME A ONE , YES JUST ONE SINGLE VERSE IN BIBLE WHICH SAYS JESUS (P) SAID ” I AM GOD AND SO WORSHIP ME ”

    PLEASE DO THAT AND THAT WILL SPARE YOUR FELLOW CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS THE TROUBLE OF READING ALL THOSE NUMEROUS MISQUOTATIONS OF BIBLE WHICH YOU HAVE QUOTED TO PROVE JESUS IS JEHOVAH(GOD) HIMSELF BUT FAILED TO PROVE THAT JESUS (P) IS GOD HIMSELF .

    I AM EVER WAITING FOR THAT MAGIC VERSE FROM BIBLE – WAITING FOR YOUR KIND REPLY

    STILL WAITING , MY GOOD CHRISTIAN FRIEND – DON’T WORRY TAKE YOUR TIME .

    Jesus replies to this accusation saying: “Jesus answered them, ‘Is it not written in your Law, “I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, “Thou blasphemeth,” because I said I am the son of God?’” (John 10:34-36).

    Let us look at Acts 2:22 “O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you…” Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.

    HELLO “SIRUS ”

    JESUS HIMSELF IN THE ABOVE VERSES IS CALMING THAT HE IS INFERIOR TO OTHER JEWISH PROPHETS WHO HAD RECEIVED THE WORD OF GOD EXAMPLE MOSES , DAVID ETC ETC ,
    BY CALLING HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER JEWISH PROPHETS WHO HAD RECEIVED THE WORD OF GOD EXAMPLE MOSES , DAVID ETC ETC WHO ARE CALLED GOD’S THEMSELVES BY NONE OTHER THAN GOD HIMSELF!!!
    - LEAVE ALONE JESUS CALMING TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD OR CLAIMING TO BE GOD HIMSELF !!!

    SIRUS YOU SAID YOU DOUBT THAT I WILL ALLOW YOUR COMMENTS TO APPEAR ON THIS BLOG-

    THERE YOU ARE – YOU HAVE SPOKEN

    NOW I AM WATING FOR YOU TO APPEAR AND ANSWER MY ABOVE QUESTIONS !!!

    ONE WHO DOES NOT FOLLOW THE TRUTH IS ONLY AFRAID OF FACING THE COMMENTS OF HIS CRITICS- I FOLLOW ISLAM WHIC IS THE TRUTH AND I AM NOT AFRAID OF ANYBODY EXCEPT GOD ALMIGHTY – AND I HAVE NO REASON TO RUN AWAY FROM FACTS AND REALITY – SO PLEASE SHOW UP AND PROVE

    PLEASE MY FRIEND JUST SHOW ME A ONE , YES JUST ONE SINGLE VERSE IN BIBLE WHICH SAYS JESUS (P) SAID ” I AM GOD AND SO WORSHIP ME ”

    AND PROVE ME AND YOUR CHRISTIAN FRIENDS THAT YOU ALSO HAVE NO REASON TO RUN AWAY FROM TRUTH !!!

    - DON’T WORRY TAKE YOUR TIME

    “Say: He is Allah,
    the One and Only;
    Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
    He begetteth not,
    nor is He begotten;
    and there is none like unto Him.”

    (Holy Qur’an, 112:1-4)

  3. Sirius
    Posted March 9, 2008 at 3:25 am | Permalink

    That’s was a hell of a dodge. Allow me to compliment you on your Engrish. [No it's not a typo.]

    I really do like it when people start quoting the Bible OUT OF CONTEXT and then pretending as if they’ve actually made a case. A text without a context is a pretext for error.

    Why did Jesus request that we pray in his name if Jesus is not God? [John 14:13-14; 15:7] The early church not only prayed in His name [1 Cor 5:4], but prayed TO Christ Jesus [Acts 7:59]

    And did you by any chance READ the verse you quoted to me. Jesus first says that no man can pluck them from his own hand. Then Jesus states that no one can pluck them from his Father’s hand. Why? Because “I and my father are One.” Becuase they are ONE AND THE SAME.

    Furthermore, you who spouts forth words devoid of knowledge, who else but God can forgive sin, as Jesus did?

    The divinity of Jesus Christ is proven in His resurrection, which He repeatedly predicted and which was necessary to fulfill messianic prophecy. He stated that he had the power to lay down his life and to take it back up again, and he did so.

    Here’s more on the resurrection. Pay particular attention to the Muslim Lie.
    http://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/resurrection-apologetics/

    Muhammad was a fake and so is the bleeding book he made up. It was brilliant forgery in its power to unify his people group, but a clever hoax nonetheless.

    –Sirius Knotts

  4. sufi786
    Posted March 9, 2008 at 4:42 am | Permalink

    SIRUS SAID

    That’s was a hell of a dodge. Allow me to compliment you on your Engrish. [No it’s not a typo.]

    I really do like it when people start quoting the Bible OUT OF CONTEXT and then pretending as if they’ve actually made a case. A text without a context is a pretext for error.

    Why did Jesus request that we pray in his name if Jesus is not God? [John 14:13-14; 15:7] The early church not only prayed in His name [1 Cor 5:4], but prayed TO Christ Jesus [Acts 7:59]

    And did you by any chance READ the verse you quoted to me. Jesus first says that no man can pluck them from his own hand. Then Jesus states that no one can pluck them from his Father’s hand. Why? Because “I and my father are One.” Becuase they are ONE AND THE SAME.

    Furthermore, you who spouts forth words devoid of knowledge, who else but God can forgive sin, as Jesus did?

    The divinity of Jesus Christ is proven in His resurrection, which He repeatedly predicted and which was necessary to fulfill messianic prophecy. He stated that he had the power to lay down his life and to take it back up again, and he did so.

    Here’s more on the resurrection. Pay particular attention to the Muslim Lie.
    http://siriusknotts.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/resurrection-apologetics/

    Muhammad was a fake and so is the bleeding book he made up. It was brilliant forgery in its power to unify his people group, but a clever hoax nonetheless.

    –Sirius Knotts

    MY REPLY :

    Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 “That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us. I in
    them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE”. In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods.

    YOU SIRUS YOU ARE FAKE AND YOUR CALIMS TO JESUS HAVING SAID I AM GOD ARE FAKE, AND YOUR INABLITY TO GIVE A SINGLE VERSE FROM BIBLE IN WHICH JESUS SAID ” I AM GOD SO WORSHIP ME ” HAS FAILED TO APPEAR SECOND TIME – IT IS HIGH TIME YOU GROW UP – INSTEAD OF INSISTING LIKE A 5 YEAR OLD KID THAT JESUS IS GOD AND ISLAM IS FAKE WITH NO PROOFS AT ALL

    ALLOW ME TO COMMENT ON YOUR FAITH

    Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    PLEASE “SIRUS ” PROVE YOURSELF TO BE BETTER THAN DEVIL BY BELIVING IN ONE GOD IN THE FIRST PLACE !!! INSTEAD OF BEING JUST ANOTHER PAGAN WORSHIPPING HALF HUMAN HALF GODS

    PLEASE MY FRIEND JUST SHOW ME A ONE , YES JUST ONE SINGLE VERSE IN BIBLE WHICH SAYS JESUS (P) SAID ” I AM GOD AND SO WORSHIP ME ”

    PLEASE DO THAT AND THAT WILL SPARE YOUR FELLOW CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS THE TROUBLE OF READING ALL THOSE NUMEROUS MISQUOTATIONS OF BIBLE WHICH YOU HAVE QUOTED TO PROVE JESUS IS JEHOVAH(GOD) HIMSELF BUT FAILED TO PROVE THAT JESUS (P) IS GOD HIMSELF .

    I AM EVER WAITING FOR THAT MAGIC VERSE FROM BIBLE – WAITING FOR YOUR KIND REPLY

    STILL WAITING , MY GOOD CHRISTIAN FRIEND – DON’T WORRY TAKE YOUR TIME .

    Jesus replies to this accusation saying: “Jesus answered them, ‘Is it not written in your Law, “I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, “Thou blasphemeth,” because I said I am the son of God?’” (John 10:34-36).

    Let us look at Acts 2:22 “O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you…” Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.

    HELLO “SIRUS ”

    JESUS HIMSELF IN THE ABOVE VERSES IS CALMING THAT HE IS INFERIOR TO OTHER JEWISH PROPHETS WHO HAD RECEIVED THE WORD OF GOD EXAMPLE MOSES , DAVID ETC ETC ,
    BY CALLING HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER JEWISH PROPHETS WHO HAD RECEIVED THE WORD OF GOD EXAMPLE MOSES , DAVID ETC ETC WHO ARE CALLED GOD’S THEMSELVES BY NONE OTHER THAN GOD HIMSELF!!!
    - LEAVE ALONE JESUS CALMING TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD OR CLAIMING TO BE GOD HIMSELF !!!

    SIRUS YOU SAID YOU DOUBT THAT I WILL ALLOW YOUR COMMENTS TO APPEAR ON THIS BLOG-

    THERE YOU ARE – YOU HAVE SPOKEN

    NOW I AM WATING FOR YOU TO APPEAR AND ANSWER MY ABOVE QUESTIONS !!!

    ONE WHO DOES NOT FOLLOW THE TRUTH IS ONLY AFRAID OF FACING THE COMMENTS OF HIS CRITICS- I FOLLOW ISLAM WHIC IS THE TRUTH AND I AM NOT AFRAID OF ANYBODY EXCEPT GOD ALMIGHTY – AND I HAVE NO REASON TO RUN AWAY FROM FACTS AND REALITY – SO PLEASE SHOW UP AND PROVE

    PLEASE MY FRIEND JUST SHOW ME A ONE , YES JUST ONE SINGLE VERSE IN BIBLE WHICH SAYS JESUS (P) SAID ” I AM GOD AND SO WORSHIP ME ”

    AND PROVE ME AND YOUR CHRISTIAN FRIENDS THAT YOU ALSO HAVE NO REASON TO RUN AWAY FROM TRUTH !!!

    - DON’T WORRY TAKE YOUR TIME

    “Say: He is Allah,
    the One and Only;
    Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
    He begetteth not,
    nor is He begotten;
    and there is none like unto Him.”

    (Holy Qur’an, 112:1-4)

  5. sufi786
    Posted March 9, 2008 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    NOW TAKING APART VERSE BY VERSE OF THESE ABSURD LIES AND MISINTERPRETATION OF JESUS AS CORRECTLY NOT QUOTED AT ALL BY SIRUS LEAVE ALONE CONTEXT OR OUT OF CONTEXT

    John 14:13-14
    013: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
    014: If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

    John 15:7-10
    007: If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
    008: Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
    009: As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
    010: If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

    ANSWER :

    THE SAME JESUS SAYS

    I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
    John 5:30

    JESUS OF HIS OWN SELF CAN DO NOTHING – WHICH MEANS HE IS NOT GOD , AND CAN DO NOTHING BY HIS OWN SELF WHICH BASICALLY MEANS HE IS HELPLESS AND IT IS GOD ONLY WHO DOES THINGS AND HAS POWER TO DO EVERYTHING BY HIS OWN SELF WITHOUT THE HELP OF JESUS OR ANGELS OR ANYTHING ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH OR UNIVERSE – GET THIS IN YOUR PAGAN MIND ” SIRUS ”

    NOTE : JESUS SAID ASK IN MY NAME TO GOD – THIS IS SAME AS PRAYING TO GOD IN THE NAME OF ANY PROPHET OR A SAINT

    WHAT JESUS DID NOT SAY IS THE PAGAN FANCY AND ILLUSIONS WHICH LIKES OF SIRUS WANT TO PUT IN HIS MOUTH

    JESUS DID NOT SAY” PRAY TO ME AND I WILL GIVE YOU”

    BUT HE SAID “PRAY IN MY NAME TO “GOD” AND WITH THE HELP OF GOD HE WILL FULFILL AND GIVE IT TO THEM SO THE NAME OF THE FATHER WILL BE GLORIFIED IN THE SON OR JESUS

    IT IS SAME AS THE FATHER (GOD)BEING GLORIFIED IN ANY OTHER JEWISH PROPHET OR ANY SAINT

    - SO WE ARE BACK TO SQUARE ONE

    AND THAT IS

    JESUS WAS A CHRIST DENIER AND HE NEVER EVER WORSHIPED HIMSELF , NEITHER HE ASKED ANYBODY TO WORSHIP HIM , RATHER HE WORSHIPED THE ONE TRUE GOD AND ASKED HIS FOLLOWERS TO DO THE SAME .

    Luke 6:12 One day Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray and spent the night praying to God.

    Hebrews 5:7 During Jesus days on earth, he offered prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him.

    028: Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

    (Jesus Said )I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
    John 5:30

    LUKE 18:18-19

    018: And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
    019: And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

    Jon 20:17 I ascend unto my father and your father, and to my God and your God.

    P.S

    SIRUS YOU QUOTE THESE PROOFS AGAINST YOURSELF AND THE LIKES OF YOU WHOM CHRIST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH

    The early church not only prayed in His name [1 Cor 5:4], but prayed TO Christ Jesus [Acts 7:59]

    21 ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

    22On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?”

    23Then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.”Hearers and Doers

    24 ‘Everyone then who hears these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.

    HERE IS THE PROOF OF YOU AND YOUR SOME EARLY CHRISTIANS BEING PAGANS

    BECAUSE JESUS NEVER EVER ASKED PEOPLE TO PRAY TO HIM , ALL HE SAID IS PRAY IN MY NAME TO GOD AND YOU PAGANS HAVE GONE CRAZY , RUN AMOK WHEN YOU “STARTED PRAYING TO JESUS”

    ANY WAY THIS VERSE OF BIBLE WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF GIVE NO CONVINCING PROOF AGAIN FOR PAGAN HUMAN GOD WORSHIP OF JESUS

    [Acts 7:59]

    059: And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
    060: And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

    ANY WAY THIS STEPHEN WAS CALLING UPON GOD AND WAS ACTUALLY CALLING HIS GOD AND GOD OF JESUS , AND WAS ASKING “JESUS THE LORD NOT JESUS THE GOD” TO RECEIVE HIS SPIRIT AGAIN THIS VERSE LEAVE NO PROOF FOR PAGAN JUSTIFICATION TO CALL OR PRAY TO JESUS AS A GOD !!!

    SO FAR SO GOOD FOR THIS SICK GAME WHICH CHRISTIANS PLAY OF GOD AND LORD – TRYING TO CONFUSE THE INNOCENTS AND LURE THEM INTO PAGAN HALF HUMAN AND HALF GOD IDOL WORSHIP OF JESUS.

  6. sufi786
    Posted March 9, 2008 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    AND LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST “SAY YOUR LORDS PRAYER SIRUS” AS JESUS TAUGHT THE WOULD BE MAJORITY PAGAN CHRISTIANS – BUT IN VAIN!!!

    The Lords Prayer :

    003: But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

    004: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

    005: And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    006: But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

    007: But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

    008: Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
    009: After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

    010: Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

    011: Give us this day our daily bread.

    012: And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

    013: And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

    014: For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

    015: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    016: Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    017: But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

    018: That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

  7. sufi786
    Posted March 9, 2008 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    NOW FOR THE FINAL NAIL ON THE COFFIN OF ALL WOULD BE PAGAN CHRISTIANS DELIVERED BY NONE OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF

    MATTHEW 6-24
    024: No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

  8. adi isa
    Posted March 9, 2008 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    I just believe in Allah, no others

  9. Sirius
    Posted March 10, 2008 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    Ok, you’re like, what, twelve years old or something? [I'm guess-timating your probable age based on that cute little Opie picture you've provided as your icon and, in a much larger part, on your incredibly juvenile [read: wildly immature and overstated] attempts at response.

    It’s obvious that you’ve been well indoctrinated [that is to say, mindlessly programmed] in your pseudofaith. It’s obvious, Mr. Bombs-for-brains, that you actually think that you believe the borrowed beliefs that your parents and teachers rammed down your throat since you were a babe. It’s equally obvious that any further dialogue is pointless as you will happily join Mohammed in HELL before you use the brain God gave you.

    Let me be perfectly clear: Jesus said, I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life; NO MAN comes to the Father, EXCEPT BY ME.

    This same Jesus said: For GOD so loved the world that He gave HIS ONLY SON that whoever believes in HIM [Jesus] should not perish, but have eternal life.
    He goes on to say that those who believe in HIM [Jesus] will be saved, but those who do not are DAMNED.

    Now, the question YOU are faced with, Mr. I-Like-Missing-The-Forest-For-The-Trees, is ARE YOU CALLING JESUS A LIAR?

    Are you rejecting Jesus as the only means of salvation based on what your daddy said? Or because a mere man [I really doubt this demon of hell was a prophet of God, considering the bloodshed and hatred your religion was born and propogated in.] said he’d received a new, albeit very inconsistent and subsequently ammended word from God. How does a perfect God gives us an imperfect word such as the Qur’an? He doesn’t. It’s a fake, pure and simple.

    Now, a few comments on your Scriptorture. I know Muslims don’t give a damn for the Bible. You might make reverent mouthings about it, but in the end you believe that any part that disagrees with Mohammed’s fictional work must have been changed and corrupted by Jesus’ discples. So it’s no surprise that you seem to have NO GRASP of the concept of a Context.

    For example, the “final nail in my coffin,” has a context. In that context, Jesus is talking about how you cannot serve God and money [yes, money. It's what the word mammon means.]. I have NO IDEA what point you’re trying to make with this verse. We haven’t even discussed money. How does it relate to your accusations? You quote a bunch of Scriptures, claiming that it refutes me somehow, but you’re a horrid expositor. No one knows what you’re saying. Perhaps you are too used to preaching to the choir. Go heap your bile upon them. I see no reason in your ignorant attempts at argument.

    The same applies to pretty much everything you’ve said. You can quote me the Lord’s Prayer all you want, but I am correctly unimpressed when you do not explain why it should somehow condemn me. Go take a course in debate. Learn how to structure an argument. Learn what REASON is.

    In the meantime, go tell your mommy that you just got spanked by Sirius Knott.

    – Sirius Knott.

    BTW, you can leave this on your blog or you pretend like you scored the final blow by erasing it. Either way, you and I will know the truth of what I said. One day you will stand before the Judgment throne and Mohammed will not be on it, not will Allah, but Jesus Christ will separate the goats from the sheep and everyone will be judged by Christ Jesus, whom you have called a liar, from the Book of Life. Sleep well, sufi786

  10. petersonion
    Posted March 10, 2008 at 1:25 am | Permalink

    To Sirius:

    The Gospels were not written by Jesus, but between 40 and 70 years after Jesus’ death: therefore no one knows what Jesus’ words really were.

    Saint Paul is the one who reconfigured the past to make history and Jewish scripture seem as if it all pointed towards the coming and divinity of Jesus. Saint Paul was also a guilt ridden, cunning, vindictive, epileptic fellow (Jesus never said anything about Original Sin).

    The four gospels chosen as canonical were all carefully selected, 400 years after the death of Jesus, by a conclave of bishops to justify the Church and the authority of their position as mediators between God and man (I’m curious, how do Protestants interpret the passage “thou art Peter and on this rock I will found my Church” which blatantly give authority to Rome?). Any gospel which suggested man himself was divine, or that man had a direct relationship with God, thereby destroying the authority of the Church, was proclaimed heretical.

    Ultimately, Jesus’ position as God is only useful for people who want to ride on the coat-tails of the consequent authority. Spiritually, Jesus’ position as God is useless.

    Read the gospel of Thomas. And also, learn some manners.

  11. sufi786
    Posted March 10, 2008 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    SIRUS

    SAID

    Ok, you’re like, what, twelve years old or something? [I’m guess-timating your probable age based on that cute little Opie picture you’ve provided as your icon and, in a much larger part, on your incredibly juvenile [read: wildly immature and overstated] attempts at response.

    It’s obvious that you’ve been well indoctrinated [that is to say, mindlessly programmed] in your pseudofaith. It’s obvious, Mr. Bombs-for-brains, that you actually think that you believe the borrowed beliefs that your parents and teachers rammed down your throat since you were a babe. It’s equally obvious that any further dialogue is pointless as you will happily join Mohammed in HELL before you use the brain God gave you.

    Let me be perfectly clear: Jesus said, I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life; NO MAN comes to the Father, EXCEPT BY ME.

    This same Jesus said: For GOD so loved the world that He gave HIS ONLY SON that whoever believes in HIM [Jesus] should not perish, but have eternal life.
    He goes on to say that those who believe in HIM [Jesus] will be saved, but those who do not are DAMNED.

    Now, the question YOU are faced with, Mr. I-Like-Missing-The-Forest-For-The-Trees, is ARE YOU CALLING JESUS A LIAR

    MY REPLY :

    Well Done Sirus

    The more you speak , the more you fail to prove ” THE FACT JUST SHOW ME A ONE , YES JUST ONE SINGLE VERSE IN BIBLE WHICH SAYS JESUS (P) SAID ” I AM GOD AND SO WORSHIP ME ”

    And this is THIRD time you have failed to prove the above

    so , keep on trying – dont worry take your time I am ever wating .

    May be you never grew up from what dogma your Parents have taught to you of JESUS BEING GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSLEF OR A SON OF GOD WHO WAS BY THE WAY A PART OF GOD !!!

    And you never asked them any questions and you will never open your mind to truth – you are brainwashed 100%

    prove me wrong other wise by

    SHOW ME A ONE , YES JUST ONE SINGLE VERSE IN BIBLE WHICH SAYS JESUS (P) SAID ” I AM GOD AND SO WORSHIP ME ”

    I know you can never prove Jesus saying I AM GOD SO WORSHIP ME – SO BACK TO SQUARE ONE

    ALLOW ME TO COMMENT ON YOUR FAITH

    Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

    PLEASE “SIRUS ” PROVE YOURSELF TO BE BETTER THAN DEVIL BY BELIVING IN ONE GOD IN THE FIRST PLACE !!! INSTEAD OF BEING JUST ANOTHER PAGAN WORSHIPPING HALF HUMAN HALF GODS

    PLEASE MY FRIEND JUST SHOW ME A ONE , YES JUST ONE SINGLE VERSE IN BIBLE WHICH SAYS JESUS (P) SAID ” I AM GOD AND SO WORSHIP ME ”

    PLEASE DO THAT AND THAT WILL SPARE YOUR FELLOW CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS THE TROUBLE OF READING ALL THOSE NUMEROUS MISQUOTATIONS OF BIBLE WHICH YOU HAVE QUOTED TO PROVE JESUS IS JEHOVAH(GOD) HIMSELF BUT FAILED TO PROVE THAT JESUS (P) IS GOD HIMSELF .

    I AM EVER WAITING FOR THAT MAGIC VERSE FROM BIBLE – WAITING FOR YOUR KIND REPLY

    STILL WAITING , MY GOOD CHRISTIAN FRIEND – DON’T WORRY TAKE YOUR TIME

  12. sufi786
    Posted March 10, 2008 at 1:53 am | Permalink

    NOW TAKING APART VERSE BY VERSE OF THESE ABSURD LIES AND MISINTERPRETATION OF JESUS AS CORRECTLY NOT QUOTED AT ALL BY SIRUS LEAVE ALONE CONTEXT OR OUT OF CONTEXT

    SIRUS SAID Let me be perfectly clear: Jesus said, I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life; NO MAN comes to the Father, EXCEPT BY ME.

    MY REPLY :
    John, 14
    006: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    SO WHAT DOES THIS VERSE PROVE ANY WAY !!!

    MOSES OR ANY OTHER PROPHET OF GOD CAN SAY THE SAME TO THEIR FOLLOWERS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE TIMES OR AGES .

  13. sufi786
    Posted March 10, 2008 at 2:43 am | Permalink

    NOW TAKING APART VERSE BY VERSE OF THESE ABSURD LIES AND MISINTERPRETATION OF JESUS AS CORRECTLY NOT QUOTED AT ALL BY SIRUS LEAVE ALONE CONTEXT OR OUT OF CONTEXT

    SIRUS SAID
    This same Jesus said: For GOD so loved the world that He gave HIS ONLY SON that whoever believes in HIM [Jesus] should not perish, but have eternal life.

    MY REPLY :

    John, Chapter 3

    015: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    016: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    017: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    018: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    019: And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    SO WHAT DOES THE ABOVE VERSES PROVE ANY WAY !!!

    THAT ANY ONE WHO BELIEVES IN JESUS WILL BE SAVED , SO AS ONE ONE WHO BELIEVES IN MOSES OR DAVID OR JOHN THE BAPTIST WILL BE SAVED AND THE ONE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN MOSES WHILE CLAIMING TO BELIEVE IN JESUS WILL NOT BE SAVED – SO THAT IS END OF THIS GAME .

    AS FOR THE SON PART WE HAVE ALREADY PROVEN EARLIER THAT

    Jesus replies to this accusation saying: “Jesus answered them, ‘Is it not written in your Law, “I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, “Thou blasphemeth,” because I said I am the son of God?’” (John 10:34-36).

    Let us look at Acts 2:22 “O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you…” Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.

    HELLO “SIRUS ”

    JESUS HIMSELF IN THE ABOVE VERSES IS CALMING THAT HE IS INFERIOR TO OTHER JEWISH PROPHETS WHO HAD RECEIVED THE WORD OF GOD EXAMPLE MOSES , DAVID ETC ETC ,

    BY CALLING HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER JEWISH PROPHETS WHO HAD RECEIVED THE WORD OF GOD EXAMPLE MOSES , DAVID ETC ETC WHO ARE CALLED GOD’S THEMSELVES BY NONE OTHER THAN GOD HIMSELF!!!

    - LEAVE ALONE JESUS CALMING TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD OR CLAIMING TO BE GOD HIMSELF !!!

    ANY WAY TO MAKE THE LONG STORY SHORT THESE VERSES DONT PROVE THAT JESUS SAID “I AM GOD SO WORSHIP ME “

  14. sufi786
    Posted March 10, 2008 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    SIRUS SAID

    This same Jesus said: For GOD so loved the world that He gave HIS ONLY SON that whoever believes in HIM [Jesus] should not perish, but have eternal life.
    He goes on to say that those who believe in HIM [Jesus] will be saved, but those who do not are DAMNED.

    Now, the question YOU are faced with, Mr. I-Like-Missing-The-Forest-For-The-Trees, is ARE YOU CALLING JESUS A LIAR?

    Are you rejecting Jesus as the only means of salvation based on what your daddy said? Or because a mere man [I really doubt this demon of hell was a prophet of God, considering the bloodshed and hatred your religion was born and propogated in.] said he’d received a new, albeit very inconsistent and subsequently ammended word from God. How does a perfect God gives us an imperfect word such as the Qur’an? He doesn’t. It’s a fake, pure and simple.

    Now, a few comments on your Scriptorture. I know Muslims don’t give a damn for the Bible. You might make reverent mouthings about it, but in the end you believe that any part that disagrees with Mohammed’s fictional work must have been changed and corrupted by Jesus’ discples. So it’s no surprise that you seem to have NO GRASP of the concept of a Context.

    MY REPLY :

    SIRUS YOU HAVE PROVEN BOTH GOD , JESUS , AND BOOK OF GOD HOLY BIBLE TO BE LIARS OF HIGHEST KIND FOOLING INNOCENT PEOPLE BY SAYING

    JESUS SAID I AM THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

    John, Chapter 3 KJV
    016: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    OR AS SOME ACTING TOO SMART CHRISTIANS WILL PUT IT

    John, Chapter 3 ESV

    16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    JESUS SAID I AM THE ONLY SON OF GOD

    EATING THE WORD BEGOTTEN – ANY WAY THAT IS WHAT THE CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN DOING WITH THE WORD OF GOD FROM CENTURIES

    TO MAKE THE LONG STORY SHORT ” CHRISTIANS LIKE SIRUS OR ANY OTHER CHRISTIANS WHO QUOTE THE ABOVE VERSES AND ATTRIBUTE IT TO JESUS HAVE PROVEN THAT JESUS IS A LIAR

    Exodus 4:22 “Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.”

    Jeremiah 31:9 “I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.”

    Psalm 2:7 “….Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.”

    SO THOSE WHO SAY JESUS IS “THE ONLY SON OF GOD”

    OR SAY

    JESUS IS “THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD”

    ARE LIARS 100%

    IRONICALLY THIS “ONLY SON ” AND “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ” LIE ALLEGEDLY IS ATTRIBUTED TO GOD, JESUS AND WORD OF GOD THE HOLY BIBLE WHO HAVE BEEN PROVED TO BE LIARS OF HIGHEST KIND DECEIVING THE INNOCENT

    - LOL , POOR SIRUS AND HIS BRAINWASHED CHRISTIAN FRIENDS HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO QUOTE THEIR OWN GREAT LYING BIBLE – TRYING “TO PROVE JESUS IS GOD ” AND THEY END UP BEING PATHETIC LIARS !!!

    BTW

    SIRUS YOU CAN NOW GO AND TELL YOUR PARENTS AND YOUR BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN PREACHERS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROPERLY SPANKED BY A MUSLIM WHO FEARS NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH AND HE IS GOING TO EXPOSE ALL THOSE LIES WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN TEACHING YOU REGARDING PAGAN DIVINITY OF JESUS CHRIST AND CORRUPTING THE RELIGION AND HOLY BOOKS OF ONE TRUE GOD OF ABRAHAM SINCE YOUR CHILDHOOD

    SIRUS LEARN SOME WISDOM :

    THE HOLY QURAN AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD (S) HAVE SPOKEN TRUTH THAT THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTED AND IS FULL OF LIES !!!

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

    HOLY QURAN Surah 2. The Cow 75 -79

    75. Can ye (o ye men of Faith)(Muslim’s) entertain the hope that they(Jews and Christians ) will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it.

    76. Behold! when they(Jews) meet the men of Faith, they say: “We believe”: But when they meet each other in private, they say: “Shall you tell them what Allah hath revealed to you, that they may engage you in argument about it before your Lord?”- Do ye not understand (their aim)?

    77. Know they not that Allah knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal?

    78. And there are among them(Jews and Christians) illiterates, who know not the Book(Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.

    79. Then woe to those (Jews and Christians) who write the Book ( Parts of Bible) with their own hands, and then say:”This is from Allah(God),” to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

    LEARN SOME ADVIDE SIRUS :

    STOP MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF BY SAYING QURAN , ISLAM AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD ARE LIARS AND FAKE, THE MORE LIES YOU SPEAK OF ONE TRUE GOD AND ISLAM THE MORE GRATER LIAR YOU YOURSELF WILL BECOME – IF YOU INSIST ON LYING THE BE YOUR OWN GUEST

    AS YOU SAID

    One day you will stand before the Judgment throne and Mohammed will not be on it, not will Allah, but Jesus Christ will separate the goats from the sheep and everyone will be judged by Christ Jesus, whom you have called a liar, from the Book of Life. Sleep well, sufi786

    IN THE ABOVE CASE IRONICALLY YOU HAVE PROVEN JESUS TO BE LIAR BY QUOTING JESUS SAY “I AM THE ONLY SON OF GOD OR ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ” SO GET PREPARED TO BE JUDGED BY JESUS

    Matthew 7:21-24

    21 ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter thekingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

    22On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we notprophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, anddo many deeds of power in your name?”

    23Then I will declare tothem, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.”

    24 ‘Everyone then who hears these words of mine and acts onthem will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.

    P.S

    HAVE SLEEP LESS NIGHTS NOW SIRUS

    I KNOW GOD NEVER LIES NEITHER DO THE PROPHETS ( Including Jesus ) LIE BUT IT IS THE EVIL AND FAITHLESS CHRISTIANS AND JEWS WHO LIE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER THE HOLY GHOST AND THE SON – AND CHANGE THE WORD OF GOD CORRUPTING ITS MEANING AND SELL LES TO THE INNOCENT DESTROYING THEIR FAITH AND LEADING THEM TO HELL !!!

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

  15. sufi786
    Posted March 10, 2008 at 4:34 am | Permalink

    SIRUS LACK OF RESON SAID

    For example, the “final nail in my coffin,” has a context. In that context, Jesus is talking about how you cannot serve God and money [yes, money. It’s what the word mammon means.]. I have NO IDEA what point you’re trying to make with this verse. We haven’t even discussed money. How does it relate to your accusations? You quote a bunch of Scriptures, claiming that it refutes me somehow, but you’re a horrid expositor. No one knows what you’re saying. Perhaps you are too used to preaching to the choir. Go heap your bile upon them. I see no reason in your ignorant attempts at argument.

    The same applies to pretty much everything you’ve said. You can quote me the Lord’s Prayer all you want, but I am correctly unimpressed when you do not explain why it should somehow condemn me. Go take a course in debate. Learn how to structure an argument. Learn what REASON is.

    In the meantime, go tell your mommy that you just got spanked by Sirius Knott.

    – Sirius Knott.

    MY REPLY :

    SIRUS YOU CANT SERVE TWO MASTERS – GOD THE FATHER AND SON THE GOD THE MONEY THING DOES NOT MATTER , ALL THAT MATTERS IS JESUS SAID YOU CANT SERVE TWO MASTERS

    NOW FOR THE FINAL NAIL ON THE COFFIN OF ALL WOULD BE PAGAN CHRISTIANS DELIVERED BY NONE OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF

    MATTHEW 6-24
    024: No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    THE LORD PRAYER IS FOR YOU PAGAN SIRUS TO LEARN HOW TO PRAY TO THE FATHER AND NOT TO THE ONE OF MANY SONS OF GOD JESUS CHRIST AS TAUGHT BY NONE OTHER THAN CHRIST HIMSELF

    AND LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST “SAY YOUR LORDS PRAYER SIRUS” AS JESUS TAUGHT THE WOULD BE MAJORITY PAGAN CHRISTIANS – BUT IN VAIN!!!

    The Lords Prayer :

    003: But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

    004: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

    005: And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    006: But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

    007: But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

    008: Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
    009: After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

    010: Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

    011: Give us this day our daily bread.

    012: And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

    013: And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

    014: For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

    015: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    016: Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    017: But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

    018: That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

    SO THAT BRINGS US TO SQUARE ONE ” JESUS WAS THE FIRST CHRIST DENIER I.E HE NEVER EVER WORSHIPED HIMSELF AND HE NEVER EVER ASKED PEOPLE TO WORSHIP HIM BUT HE RATHER ASKED THEM TO WORSHIP AND PRAY TO HIS FATHER – AND THUS JESUS HAS DENIED THE MAJORITY OF PAGAN SO CALLED CHRISTIANS WHO DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO PRAY AND TO WHOM TO PRAY AS JESUS PRAYED

    Matthew 7:21-24

    21 ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter thekingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

    22On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we notprophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, anddo many deeds of power in your name?”

    23Then I will declare tothem, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.”

    24 ‘Everyone then who hears these words of mine and acts onthem will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.

    BTW

    SIRUS YOU CAN NOW GO AND TELL YOUR PARENTS AND YOUR BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN PREACHERS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROPERLY SPANKED BY A MUSLIM WHO FEARS NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH AND HE IS GOING TO EXPOSE ALL THOSE LIES WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN TEACHING YOU REGARDING PAGAN DIVINITY OF JESUS CHRIST AND CORRUPTING THE RELIGION AND HOLY BOOKS OF ONE TRUE GOD OF ABRAHAM SINCE YOUR CHILDHOOD

  16. Sirius
    Posted March 11, 2008 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Petersonion,

    Why would I read a thoroughly discredited Gnostic apocryphal text like the Gospel of thomas? Why not just read Grimm’s Fairy Tales and base my authority on that?

    As to you other question, we explain it by quoting the entire text. You know, keeping everything in context… C’mon, I’m sure you’ve heard of it. Well, it’s where you take EVERYTHING that was said and interpret the Bible [or whatever source] given ALL of the pertinent facts. For example, in this text, Jesus ask Peter, Who do you say I am? Peter answers, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God. To which Jesus responds, Thou art Peter [a Stone, being what his name means] and upon this rock [the declaration you've just made, Peter] I’ll build my church. It’s a figurative use of speech.

    Also, no thinking archaeological scholar would agree that this SHORT amount of time between the writing of the New Testament and the life of Christ is enough time for myths and legends to form. In fact, it’s a short enough time for which Paul in writing to the Corinthians about Christ’s post-resurection appearances could note that Christ appeared to several people by name and even 500 at once [1 Cor 15], some of whom were dead at the time of the writing, but others who still lived. In other words, he was begging someone to dispute his claims. All the had to do was check the facts. Furthermore, commenting on Christ, his crucifixion and resurrection to King Agrippa, Paul notes that Agrippa knew of this since “this thing was not done in a corner.” [Acts 26:26] The facts could certainly be checked. All the Romans or jews had to do was produce a body to stop the mouths of these early Christians. They could not because he rose again to give eternal life to whoever will believe.

    Now, as for my manners, well, I apologize if I seem harsh, but this ignorant Muslim just called all of Christendom a pack of liars. Muslims have impeccable manners it seems. Nevertheless, I will give no quarter to a lie.

    Sufi786,

    You’ve just proven my point. It is pointless to argue with you, not becasue you are right [you've swallowed the biggest lie imaginable!] but because you refuse to accept the authority of the Scriptures because of Mohammed’s lies. You make yourself a hypocrite by pretending you believe the Bible is true, but only quoting it [in error and AGAIN quite out of context] to hope to refute Christendom. Newsflash, sufi: Christianity has already heard your lame challenges and silenced them. When refuted, you Muslims always fall back on claims that Christ’s disciples inserted lies into the Gospels. Because you have no real case.

    Prove to me that the Bible is a pack of lies and that only your accursed Qur’an is true.

    You cannot not, because God’s Word is Truth and the Qur’an is work of fiction by a liar from hell. Those who follow his teaching are not even granted assurance of salvation for their faith. Christianity alone promises this. The reason Islam makes no such promises is because those who believe not on Christ are damned. Mohammed would warn you from hell itself if he were allowed.

    I pray reason will afflict you with the sense to recant this false prophet and accept the only true way to the father, Jesus Christ. BTW, you know exactly what that verse means. Jesus is the only way.

    –Sirius Knott

  17. sufi786
    Posted March 11, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    SIRUS THE GREAT SAID THIS JOKE

    Sufi786,

    You’ve just proven my point. It is pointless to argue with you, not becasue you are right [you’ve swallowed the biggest lie imaginable!] but because you refuse to accept the authority of the Scriptures because of Mohammed’s lies. You make yourself a hypocrite by pretending you believe the Bible is true, but only quoting it [in error and AGAIN quite out of context] to hope to refute Christendom. Newsflash, sufi: Christianity has already heard your lame challenges and silenced them. When refuted, you Muslims always fall back on claims that Christ’s disciples inserted lies into the Gospels. Because you have no real case.

    Prove to me that the Bible is a pack of lies and that only your accursed Qur’an is true.

    You cannot not, because God’s Word is Truth and the Qur’an is work of fiction by a liar from hell. Those who follow his teaching are not even granted assurance of salvation for their faith. Christianity alone promises this. The reason Islam makes no such promises is because those who believe not on Christ are damned. Mohammed would warn you from hell itself if he were allowed.

    I pray reason will afflict you with the sense to recant this false prophet and accept the only true way to the father, Jesus Christ. BTW, you know exactly what that verse means. Jesus is the only way.

    –Sirius Knott

    MY REPLY :

    SIRUS YOU ARE IGNORANT AND THAT IS NO EXCUSE BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT TO THE FACT THAT JESUS CHRIST CALLED YOU A DOG GENTILE AND HE DID NOT COME TO SAVE YOU , HE CAMETO SAVE THE JEWS BUT NOT THE DOG GENTILES LIKE YOU AND THE REST OF MAJORITY DOG GENTILES CHRISTIANS WHO ARE LIARS WHEN THEY SAY JESUS HAS COME TO SAVE THEM AND PUT LIES IN TH MOUTH OF JESUS AND HUMILIATE HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN A MILLION TIMES BY PROVING FALSELY THAT JESUS WAS A LIAR

    Another Important fact which many Christians do not Understand is that the Bible is for JEWS ONLY and the Prophets of Jews , Including Jesus was ONLY SENT TO JEWS by God and not for the non Jews or Gentiles’ that compromise the vast Majority of Christians today

    “A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, ‘Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession. Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, ‘Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.’ He [Jesus] answered, ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.’ The woman came and knelt before him. ‘Lord, help me!’ she said. He [Jesus] replied ‘It is not right to take the children’s [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Gentiles].’ ‘Yes, Lord’ she said, ‘but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.’ Then Jesus answered, ‘Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.’ And her daughter was healed from that very hour. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22-28)”

    ” (Jesus said) Ye [Samaritans] worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for Salvation is of the Jews” John (4:22).

    NO SIRUS JESUS CANNOT SAVE YOU -YOUR ARE NOTHING BUT A WORTHLESS GENTILE DOG IN THE EYES OF JESUS WHO IS BEGGING JESUS TO GIVE THE BREAD OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD THE JEWS TO YOU – SO DON’T BE MISTAKEN IF JESUS GAVE THE BREAD TO THE GENTILE WOMAN JUST BECAUSE SHE CONSIDERED HERSELF A DOG WHO EATS FROM THE FALLEN CRUMBS OF THE JEWS , THAT JESUS IS ALSO GOING GIVE THAT BREAD TO YOU , BECAUSE THIS WOMEN WAS THE ONLY EXCEPTION CASE IN THE WHOLE LIFE OF JESUS CHRIST TO HAVE RECEIVED THE BREAD OR SALVATION FROM THE JESUS AND JESUS THEREAFTER NEVER EVER THREW THE BREAD OF SALVATION TO ANY OTHER DOG GENTILES OTHER THAN THIS SAMARITAN LADY !!!

    ” (Jesus said) Ye [Samaritans] worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for Salvation is of the Jews” John (4:22).

    JESUS SAID

    for Salvation is of the Jews” John (4:22)

    i.e the Salvation is NOT for ALL Non Jewish people Gentiles

    Then what should the MAJORITY POOR NON JEWISH CHRISTIANS DO ?

    Become Jews themselves ?

    Which is not possible any way !!!

    Why ?

    because Gentile Dogs cannot become the Children of God the Jews !!! Neither can they EVEN eat fallen crumbs of salvation like dogs from the children table with exception of JUST ONE lady Samaritan !!!

    PROVE ME WRONG BY SHOWING A SINGLE VERSE IN BIBLE IN WHICH JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF SAYS THAT I AM SENT TO THE GENTILES OR THE WHOLE HUMANITY AND THE SALVATION I WILL GIVE TO ALL THE HUMANITY AND NOT ONLY TO JEWS !!!

    PERSONALLY GIVEN THE CHOICE IF I WAS A CHRISTAN I WOULD REFUSE TO BE CALLED AS A DOG IN THE FIRST PLACE BY AN RACIST PROPHET OR AN RACIST SON OF GOD OR AND RACIST GOD HIMSELF – LEAVE ALONE PREFERRING TO EAT LIKE A DOG THE FALLEN CRUMBS FROM THE TABLE OF THE JEWS !!!

    I WOULD IMMEDIATELY ADOPT ISLAM AS MY WHOLE AND SOLE RELIGION

    WHY ?

    BECAUSE THE GOD OF ISLAM IS NOT RACIST

    The Qur’an ordains it . “O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another. Verily, the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is one who is deeply conscious of Him [or the best in conduct] Behold, Allah is all-knowing and all-aware.” [ Holy Qur’an. 49: 13]

    THE GOD OF ISLAM IS THE MOST FORGIVING AND MERCIFUL GOD ,
    WHO FORGIVES ALL THE SINS WITHOUT DRINKING THE BLOOD OF ANY INNOCENT PERSON AS AN EXCHANGE FOR FORGIVING OTHERS , ALL A MUSLIMS HAS TO SINCERELY REPENT FOR HIS SIN

    “Say: O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls.
    Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives     ALL sins: for He is
    Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” Holy Quran 39:53

    Prophet Muhammad (s) said

    “Allah the Almighty has said: ‘O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me, and hope in Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds in the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I shall forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with an earthful of sins and were you then to face Me, without having associated anything with Me, I shall grant you an earthful of pardon.’”

    THE GOD OF ISLAM IS JUST AND FAIR AND HE DOES NOT PUNISH THE CHILDREN FOR THE SINS OF THEIR PARENTS , NO SIR THE GOD OF ISLAM DOES NOT PUNISH US FOR THE SIN OF OUR PARENTS ADAM AND EVE

    And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And if a heavily laden soul calls [another] to [carry some of] its load, nothing of it will be carried, even if he should be a close relative. You can only warn those who fear their Lord unseen and have established prayer. And whoever purifies himself only purifies himself for [the benefit of] his soul. And to God is the [final] destination’ (Surah Fatir 35:18)

    God does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned’ (Surah al-Baqarah 2:286)

    AS APPOSED TO SO CALLED GOD IN BIBLE PUNISH ALL HUMANITY WITH THE ORIGINAL SIN OF THEIR PARENTS ADAM AND EVE DECLARING ALL HUMANITY AS SINNERS BORN IN SIN EVEN BEFORE THEY SIN , JUST BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS ADAM AND EVE SINNED ???? HOW COULD ANY SANE PERSON FOLLOW THIS EVIL CORRUPT BIBLE AND THE CORRUPTED IMAGE OF GOD THIS EVIL BOOK PRESENTS !!!???

    Exodus 20:5–6

    5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

    6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
    THE PROPHET OF ISLAM IS NOT RACIST HE NEVER EVER CALLED AN NON ARAB AS A DOG

    Prophet Muhammad [peace be upon him – (S)] in his last sermon from the Mount of Arafat [Makkah] declared: “An Arab is no better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is no better than an Arab; A red raced man is no better than a black, except in piety. Mankind are Adam’s children and Adam was created from dust”

    EVEN SO MORE THE PROPHET OF ISLAM WAS SENT TO THE ENTIRE HUMANITY BY GOD AS AN PROPHET IRRESPECTIVE OF RACE , RELIGION, CASTE OR CREED – THAT IS EVEN TO JEWS , NON JEWS , CHRISTIANS , ARABS, NON ARABS, HINDUS, BUDDHIST, ATHEIST, ETC ETC

    And We did not send you (O Muhammad) except as a Mercy to the worlds(all the People in this world and in hereafter).

    Holy Qur’an 21:107

    “We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a universal (Messenger) to men giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin) but most men understand not.” (Holy Quran 34 :28)

    “It is He who has sent His messenger (Muhammad) with the guidance and the Religion of truth(Islam), to prevail over all religions, even though the idolaters may detest.”

    (Holy Quran 9:33)

    LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST ISLAM AND QURAN IS THE ONLY WAY OF SALVATION FOR THE ENTIRE HUMANITY

    WHY ?

    BECAUSE IT IS THE WILL AND WISH OF ONE TRUE GOD OF ABRAHAM

    “This day I have perfected for you your religion, and completed my favor upon you and have chosen Islam as your way of life.”

    (Holy Qur’an 5:3)

    And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter. (Holy Quran, 3:85)

    “Indeed, those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers – never would the (whole) capacity of the earth in gold be accepted from one of them if he would (seek to) ransom himself with it. For those there will be a painful punishment, and they will have no helpers.” ( Holy Quran 3:91)

    “It is He who has sent His messenger (Muhammad) with the guidance and the Religion of truth(Islam), to prevail over all religions, even though the idolaters may detest.”

    (Holy Quran 9:33)

    “Abu Hurairah (r) narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s.) said, ‘By Him in Whose Hand is the life of Muhammad, he amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me; but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent (i.e., Islam) and dies in his state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire.’” Hadith (Muslim 1/ 284)

    WAKE UP SIRUS YOUR JESUS NEVER CAN SAVE YOU OR ME BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THE WILL OF GOD THAT JESUS WILL SAVE GENTILES NON JEWISH PEOPLE

    He [Jesus] answered, ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel

    (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22-28)

    ” (Jesus said) Ye [Samaritans] worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for Salvation is of the Jews” John (4:22).

    BUT IT WAS THE WILL OF GOD THAT THE LAST AND FINAL GREATEST MESSENGER OF GOD PROPHET MUHAMMAD(S) TO SAVE THE ENTIRE HUMANITY

    And We did not send you (O Muhammad) except as a Mercy to the worlds(all the People in this world and in hereafter).

    Holy Qur’an 21:107

    “We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a universal (Messenger) to men giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin) but most men understand not.” (Holy Quran 34 :28)

    “It is He who has sent His messenger (Muhammad) with the guidance and the Religion of truth(Islam), to prevail over all religions, even though the idolaters may detest.”

    (Holy Quran 9:33)

    “This day I have perfected for you your religion, and completed my favor upon you and have chosen Islam as your way of life.”

    (Holy Qur’an 5:3)

    And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter. (Holy Quran, 3:85)

    SIRUS THE GREAT , IS BLIND TO THE FACTS THAT HE IS A LIAR AND HIS BIBLE IS FILLED LIES AND HIS JESUS CHRIST IS A LIAR AND HIS GOD IS A LIAR AND APOSTLE JOHN IS A LIAR – THIS I HAVE PROVEN 100% FOOL PROOF – AND YEST THIS BLIND MAN CALLS QURAN A LIE AND MUHAMMAD A LIE WITH NOT A SINGLE PROOF FROM HIS MARATHON OF DEBATE WITH ME THAT THE QURAN HAS LIED – ANY WAY WHAT DO YOU ACCEPT FROM THE FRUITS OF A BAD TREE LIKE JESUS SAID

    NOTE: THIS IS NOT MY BELIEF THAT GOD LIES AND PROPHETS OF GOD INCLUDING JESUS EVER LIED , THE ONLY THING WHICH LIED IS THE BIBLE WHICH WAS PUT INTO THIS UNFORTUNATE POSITION BY THE LYING SCRIBES WHO WROTE IT AND MADE GOD , PROPHETS AND JESUS LOOK LIKE LIARS – WHAT A SHAME !!!“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)

    15 ‘Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

    16You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?

    17In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.

    18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.

    19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

    20Thus you will know them by their fruits.

    BEHOLD THE LYING TREE HAS PRODUCED LYING FRUITS !!!
    AND THAT IS WHY THE LIARS ARE BLIND AND THEY NEVER SEE THE TRUTH BECAUSE THEY TELL AND BELIEVE IN LIES , WHICH THEY MAKE THEIR OWN ILLUSIONARY WORLD WHERE THEY LIVE FAR AWAY FROM TRUTH AND FACTS , LIKE A FROGS IN A POND WHO DON’T LIKE TO GET OUT OF THEIR LYING DELUSIONAL WORLD AND SEE THE REAL KINGDOM OF GOD WHICH IS ISLAM AND QURAN .

    SIRUS YOU HAVE PROVEN BOTH GOD , JESUS , AND BOOK OF GOD HOLY BIBLE TO BE LIARS OF HIGHEST KIND FOOLING INNOCENT PEOPLE BY SAYING

    JESUS SAID I AM THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

    John, Chapter 3 KJV
    016: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    OR AS SOME ACTING TOO SMART CHRISTIANS WILL PUT IT

    John, Chapter 3 ESV

    16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    JESUS SAID I AM THE ONLY SON OF GOD

    EATING THE WORD BEGOTTEN – ANY WAY THAT IS WHAT THE CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN DOING WITH THE WORD OF GOD FROM CENTURIES

    E JETO MAKE THE LONG STORY SHORT ” CHRISTIANS LIKE SIRUS OR ANY OTHER CHRISTIANS WHO QUOTE THE ABOVE VERSES AND ATTRIBUTE IT TO JESUS HAVE PROVEN THAT JESUS IS A LIAR

    Exodus 4:22 “Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.”

    Jeremiah 31:9 “I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.”

    Psalm 2:7 “….Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.”

    SO THOSE WHO SAY JESUS IS “THE ONLY SON OF GOD”

    OR SAY

    JESUS IS “THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD”

    ARE LIARS 100%

    IRONICALLY THIS “ONLY SON ” AND “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD ” LIE ALLEGEDLY IS ATTRIBUTED TO GOD, JESUS AND WORD OF GOD THE HOLY BIBLE WHO HAVE BEEN PROVED TO BE LIARS OF HIGHEST KIND DECEIVING THE INNOCENT

    - LOL , POOR SIRUS AND HIS BRAINWASHED CHRISTIAN FRIENDS HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO QUOTE THEIR OWN GREAT LYING BIBLE – TRYING “TO PROVSUS IS GOD ” AND THEY END UP BEING PATHETIC LIARS !!!

    P.S

    I KNOW GOD NEVER LIES NEITHER DO THE PROPHETS ( Including Jesus ) LIE BUT IT IS THE EVIL AND FAITHLESS CHRISTIANS AND JEWS WHO LIE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER THE HOLY GHOST AND THE SON , – AND CHANGE THE WORD OF GOD CORRUPTING ITS MEANING AND SELL LIES TO THE INNOCENT DESTROYING THEIR FAITH AND LEADING THEM TO HELL !!!

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”</blockquote>

    LIAR , LIAR WHAT ARE GOING TO DO WHEN THEY ANGELS OF DEATH COME TO YOU ?

    LIAR LIAR WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE WRATH OF ONE TRUE GOD OF ABRAHAM , MOSES , JESUS AND MUHAMMAD IS GOING TO COME TO YOU ?

    “And if you could but see when the wrongdoers are in the overwhelming pangs of death while the angels extend their hands, saying, ‘Save yourselves! Today you will be awarded the punishment of extreme humiliation for what you used to say against God other than the truth, and that you were, toward His verses, being arrogant.” (Quran 6:93)

    “And if you could not see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved… striking their faces and their backs and saying, ‘Taste the punishment of the Blazing Fire.’” (Quran 8:50)

  18. Sirius
    Posted March 11, 2008 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Dude,

    I have completely stopped listening to you. If THIS pathetic diatribe is how you plan on converting the world to Islam, Christianity has NOTHING to worry about. What are you gonna do? Offend us all into converting? Force us to convert just so we don’t have to endure your self-righteous drivel any longer?

    Or maybe you’ll choose one of your usual modus operandi: roadside bombs.

    Islam is the most racist religion I’ve ever even heard of. And the most murderous and hateful. Convert or die! Stop twisting the Scriptures. And stop quoting that pathetic work of fiction. It’s not a miracle; it’s only a miracle anyone has ever taken it seriously.

    I shall no longer respond to you. I shall no longer cast my pearls before you.

    If islam were true [it's not] and I went to hell for rejecting the joke called Mohammed, it would be because you have been such a poor advocate of your faith. Who would want to join the ranks of such poor reasoners? [Of course, I'll not be going to hell, because I am assured of my salvation through Jesus Christ.]

    I’m sorry for you. I hope the Holy Spirit grants you repentance that you too might believe on Jesus Christ.

    –Sirius Knott

  19. petersonion
    Posted March 12, 2008 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Sirius,

    sarcasm and belittlement do not become you (or Christianity). And your slight expansion of the context doesn’t change the fact that in the text Jesus gave validity only to Catholicism (Peter being the first pope). But none of that really matters, because I doubt the real Jesus cared very much for the establishment of a church anyhow. I mean seriously, the man didn’t even leave a single written word (except for that scribble in the dust).

    As for the gospel of Thomas, it has been discredited only by those who are threatened by it. Indeed, all in Hinduism, Islam, Christianity and so on is frequently discredited by other sects who have conflicting truths. Indeed, it must be nerve wracking to pour your whole life and identity into such flimsy structures, which continuously require INTERNET VINDICATION and other brave gestures lest they be disrespected or something. Be honest, you can furnish no more objective validity for the synoptic gospels than anyone else can for the validity of the gnostic gospels (or the Quran for that matter). Or do you have it on “good authority”, which you will withhold because deigning to explain your infallibility would only be “tossing pearls before swine”?

    Now, if you want to tell me that faith does not require objective truth, that there is simply one’s own personal relationship with and experience of God, fine. But then the whole dispute of THE ONE TRUE RELIGION dissolves and all that is left is Paul’s “baptism by fire” — that is, people come to knowledge of God on their own, not through a book or a church or a priest or an exclamation of faith. And this is what most gnostic gospels speak of, as opposed to the synoptic, which require absurd and narrow stipulations before salvation can be granted, as if God were a contract attorney.

    Who cares about the afterlife. Ask yourself, Sirius, have you experienced the divine in this life? You will say yes to me, but you know the truth — and your quickness to attack and be offended tells me that you haven’t experienced the greatness of THIS life. For the Kingdom of God is spread out upon the earth and men refuse to see it.

  20. petersonion
    Posted March 12, 2008 at 1:05 am | Permalink

    sufi786,

    sorry, lest you think I’m on your side because I have been disputing with Sirius, Islam carries no more validity than Christianity.

    Indeed, all that can be said about the Quran is that it is obvious it was composed by an illiterate camel driver, for it is inferior poetry.

    You were once Hindu? How could you have left those brilliant, beautiful books, the Upanishads, The Bhagavad Gita, for the limited, the clumsy Quran?

  21. sufi786
    Posted March 12, 2008 at 1:34 am | Permalink

    SIRUS THE GREAT ANOTHER JOKE

    Dude,

    I have completely stopped listening to you. If THIS pathetic diatribe is how you plan on converting the world to Islam, Christianity has NOTHING to worry about. What are you gonna do? Offend us all into converting? Force us to convert just so we don’t have to endure your self-righteous drivel any longer?

    Or maybe you’ll choose one of your usual modus operandi: roadside bombs.

    Islam is the most racist religion I’ve ever even heard of. And the most murderous and hateful. Convert or die! Stop twisting the Scriptures. And stop quoting that pathetic work of fiction. It’s not a miracle; it’s only a miracle anyone has ever taken it seriously.

    I shall no longer respond to you. I shall no longer cast my pearls before you.

    If islam were true [it’s not] and I went to hell for rejecting the joke called Mohammed, it would be because you have been such a poor advocate of your faith. Who would want to join the ranks of such poor reasoners? [Of course, I’ll not be going to hell, because I am assured of my salvation through Jesus Christ.]

    I’m sorry for you. I hope the Holy Spirit grants you repentance that you too might believe on Jesus Christ.

    –Sirius Knott

    MY REPLY :

    WELL DUDE I KNOW YOU ARE A LIAR AND A BLIND MAN DUDE, BUT I DID NOT GUESS YOU HAVE ALSO GONE DEAF BY NOW – THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW SIRUS DUDE !!!

    No Quran is not a Imagination it is the last and final revelation of the One true God of all , when you say more people choose to believe in Bible rather than the Quran which was forced on the people according to your fantasy , then let me remind you some chapters of History in case you forgot them

    WHO CONVERTED BY FORCE MILLIONS OF NATIVE AMERICANS TO CHRISTIANITY , WHO NEARLY WIPED OUT THE NATIVE AMERICAN RACE FROM AMERICA BY SLAUGHTERING THEM ?

    MUSLIMS OR CHRISTIANS ?

    WHO CONVERTED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ON THE POINT OF SWORD ?

    MUSLIMS OR CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS ?

    WHO CONVERTED BY FORCE MILLIONS OF JEWS AND MUSLIMS TO CHRISTIANITY DURING THE SPANISH INQUISITION ?

    MUSLIMS OR CHRISTIANS ?

    WHY THERE ARE MILLIONS OF ARAB CHRISTIANS AND JEWS IN MIDDLE EAST TODAY ? DESPITE 1,400 HUNDRED YEARS OF MUSLIM RULE ?

    IT IT BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE OF MUSLIMS OR OF CHRISTIANS ?

    WHY EVEN AFTER 800 HUNDRED YEARS OF THE MUSLIM RULE IN SPAIN THERE ARE 99 PERCENT CHRISTIANS IN SPAIN TODAY ? AND WHY THERE ARE VIRTUALLY NON EXISTENT SPANISH MUSLIMS IN SPAIN TODAY ?

    IS IT BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE OF MUSLIMS ? OR IS IT BECAUSE OF RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE OF CHRISTIANS ?

    WHO HAS KILLED MILLIONS OF EUROPEAN JEWS AND NEARLY BROUGHT THEM TO EXTINCTION ?

    CHRISTIANS OR MUSLIMS ?

    WHO USED THE GREATEST TERRORIST ATTACK THE ATOMIC BOMB ON INNOCENT JAP CIVILIANS AND BURNED HUNDRED OF THOUSAND OF INNOCENT PEOPLE IN FEW SECONDS , AND LEFT COUNTLESS MISERY FOR THE COMING GENERATIONS BORN HANDICAPPED DUE TO AFTER EFFECT OF RADIATION ?

    CHRISTIANS OR MUSLIMS ?

    WHO STARTED 2 WORLD WARS CAUSING UNTOLD BILLIONS OF INNOCENT LIEFS LOST AND UNTOLD MISERY TO THE ENTIRE WORLD ?

    CHRISTIANS OR MUSLIMS ?

    WHO KILLED HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN MIDDLE EAST AND CONTINUE TILL DATE TO KILL WOMEN AND CHILDREN ?

    CHRISTIANS OR MUSLIMS ?

    MAY BE CHRISTIANS GOT INSPIRED BY THE EVIL BOOK BIBLE AND THAT IS THEIR SOURCE OF INSPIRATION

    Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

    All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

    From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

    Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
    “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

    If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

    This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

    I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)

    When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)

    The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)

    (Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came. He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

    So please SIRUS refresh your knowledge about History then speak your fantasies and don’t mix your fantasy with the reality and Historical facts .

    Go in Peace – and FOLLOW what ever you like , I don’t mind at all for there is no compulsion in Islam that is what my HOLY QURAN TEACHES and I RESPECT THE WISH OF ALLAH TO LEAVE THE IGNORANT ALONE !!!

    THIS IS WHAT YOUR EVIL BIBLE TEACHES

    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

    If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

    Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

    While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD’s anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: “Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel.” So Moses ordered Israel’s judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man’s body and into the woman’s stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

    “Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you,” says the LORD. “Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction”. (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

    Then, with Micah’s idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel’s son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)

    KILL ALL ALL NON BELIEVERS IN YOUR GOD OF ISRAEL BOTH MAN AND WOMEN – THAT IS WHAT CHRISTIANS DID RESPECTING THE WISH OF THEIR ALLEGED EVIL GOD ACCORDING TO THE CORRUPT NOT SO HOLY BIBLE

    THIS IS WHAT MY PURE 100 % SAINTLY HOLY QURAN SAYS

    The Qur’an says: [”Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. ” (Qur’an 2:256)]

    “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” (Quran 10:99)

    READ A MILLION TIMES YOU BLIND ISLAM HATER THERE IS NO COMPULSION OR FORCED CONVERSION IN ISLAM

    AND THAT IS WHAT MUSLIMS HAVE SHOW SINCE 1,400 YEARS OF ISLAMIC HISTORY , THEY HAVE LEFT ALONE THE IGNORANT WHO REFUSE TO BELIEVE IN THE TRUTH – FOR THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN ISLAM

    READ A MILLION TIMES YOU BLIND ISLAM HATER THERE IS NO COMPULSION OR FORCED CONVERSION IN ISLAM

    GOOD BYE

  22. sufi786
    Posted March 12, 2008 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    petersonion
    SAID

    sufi786,

    sorry, lest you think I’m on your side because I have been disputing with Sirius, Islam carries no more validity than Christianity.

    Indeed, all that can be said about the Quran is that it is obvious it was composed by an illiterate camel driver, for it is inferior poetry.

    You were once Hindu? How could you have left those brilliant, beautiful books, the Upanishads, The Bhagavad Gita, for the limited, the clumsy Quran?

    MY REPLY:

    I KNOW YOU ARE NOT ON MY SIDE
    FIRST TALKING ABOUT VEDAS IT IS ALL A MIX OF GOOD AND BAD AND SOMETIMES EVIL AND THE WHOLE VEDAS COMBINED COMPARES TO ONE SINGLE VERSE OF QURAN IN ELOQUENCE

    WHAT IS THIS ?

    HYMN VI. Indra.
    1 They who stand round him as he moves harness the bright, the ruddy Steed
    The lights are shining in the sky.
    2 On both sides to the car they yoke the two bay coursers dear to him,
    Bold, tawny, bearers of the Chief.
    3 Thou, making light where no light was, and form, O men: where form was not,
    Wast born together with the Dawns.
    4 Thereafter they, as is their wont, threw off the state of babes unborn,
    Assuming sacrificial names.
    5 Thou, Indra, with the Tempest-Gods, the breakers down of what is firm,
    Foundest the kine even in the cave.
    6 Worshipping even as they list, singers laud him who findeth wealth,
    The far-renowned, the mighty One.
    7 Mayest thou verily be seen coming by fearless Indra’s side:
    Both joyous, equal in your sheen.
    8 With Indra’s well beloved hosts, the blameless, hastening to heaven,
    The sacrificer cries aloud.
    9 Come from this place, O Wanderer, or downward from the light of heaven:
    Our songs of praise all yearn for this.
    10 Indra we seek to give us help, from here, from heaven above the earth,

    COMPARED TO THIS

    Surah 96. The Clot, Read!
    1. Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-

    2. Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood:

    3. Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-

    4. He Who taught (the use of) the pen,-

    5. Taught man that which he knew not.

    6. Nay, but man doth transgress all bounds,

    7. In that he looketh upon himself as self-sufficient.

    8. Verily, to thy Lord is the return (of all).

    9. Seest thou one who forbids-

    10. A votary when he (turns) to pray?

    11. Seest thou if he is on (the road of) Guidance?-

    12. Or enjoins Righteousness?

    13. Seest thou if he denies (Truth) and turns away?

    14. Knoweth he not that Allah doth see?

    15. Let him beware! If he desist not, We will drag him by the forelock,-

    16. A lying, sinful forelock!

    17. Then, let him call (for help) to his council (of comrades):

    18. We will call on the angels of punishment (to deal with him)!

    19. Nay, heed him not: But bow down in adoration, and bring thyself the closer (to Allah.!

    SORRY WHEN YOU SAY QURAN IS A BAD POETRY IN ARABIC YOU HAVE SHOW YOUR LACK OF HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OR RATHER YOU ARE TOTALLY IGNORANT OF THE TRUTH OR YOU WOULD NOT LIKE TO QUOTE THE TRUTH AND FACTS RATHER

    IT IS WELL KNOW IN THE WHOLE ARABIA THAT QURAN IS THE BEST LITERAL WORK OF UNIQUE KIND AND TILL DATE NO BODY COULD PRODUCE NOT EVEN A SINGLE VERSE OF QURAN EQUAL IN PAR WITH LITERAL ELOQUENCE OF THE QURAN – AND THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN THE QURAN – WHICH ALL NON MUSLIMS ARABS HAVE FAILED TO TAKE THE CHALLENGE OF ALLAH TO EVEN PRODUCE A SINGLE VERSE LIKE QURAN EQUAL IN LITERAL ELOQUENCE TILL DATE AND I KNOW THEY WILL NEVER EVER BE ABEL TO DO SO EVEN IN FUTURE BECAUSE HUMANS CANNOT COMPETE WITH GOD

    Say: “If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur’an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.” [Qur'an 17:88]

    And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur’an) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful. [Qur'an 2:23]

    And this Qur’an is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allah (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation) which was before it [i.e. the Taurat (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and a full explanation of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) – wherein there is no doubt from the the Lord of the ‘Alamin (mankind, jinns,and all that exists).

    Or do they say: “He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it?” Say: “Bring then a surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whomsoever you can, besides Allah, if you are truthful!” [Qur'an 10:37-38]

    Or they say, “He (Prophet Muhammad(P)) forged it (the Qur’an).” Say: “Bring you then ten forged surah (chapters) like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than Allah (to your help), if you speak the truth!” [Qur'an 11:13]

    Or do they say: “He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it (this Qur’an)?” Nay! They believe not! Let them then produce a recital like unto it (the Qur’an) if they are truthful. [Qur'an 52:33-34]

    PEACE !!!

    P.S

    QURAN AUTHOR IS ALLAH NOT MUHAMMAD

    IT IS NOT LIKE THE BIBLE ACCORDING TO LUKE , JOHN, MATTHEW ETC – SO PLEASE DON’T MIX QURAN WITH ANY MAN WRITTEN NOT SO HOLY BOOK ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH

    AND I AM NOT A HINDU CONVERT TO ISLAM – BUT IF I WAS THEN I WOULD BE EVEN MORE PROUD OF CHOOSING THE TRUTH FROM FALSE HOOD !!!

    THERE WAS A TIME IN MY LIFE WHEN I PUT INTO SERIOUS QUESTION MY FAITH IN ISLAM AND QURAN , JUST BECAUSE I WAS A BORN MUSLIM IT DID NOT MEAN ISLAM IS THE ONLY RIGHT RELIGION OUT THERE , WAS I MISSING THE TRUTH SOMEWHAERE ELSE ?

    SO I STUDIED BIBLE , GEETA, AND FOUND THEM FAR INFERIOR AND FULL OF MORAL DEGRADATION AND FULL OF MISTAKES BOTH LITERAL AND SCIENTIFIC , WHERE AS IN QURAN I COULD NOT FIND A SINGLE MISTAKE BOTH LITERAL AND SCIENTIFICALLY SO I CAME TO CONCLUSION THAT ISLAM IS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION

    WHY ?

    BECAUSE GOD CANNOT DO MISTAKE

    IF THERE IS A RELIGION WHICH IS PROVING GOD CAN DO MISTAKES LITERATELY AND SCIENTIFICALLY THAT RELIGION IS FALSE

    AND THE ONLY RELIGION WHICH PROVES GOD IS FAULTLESS IS THE QURAN AND ISLAM !!!

    SO THERE YOU GO THAT IS MY CHOICE NOT BY BIRTH BUT BY KEEN OBSERVATION OF FACTS !!!

  23. petersonion
    Posted March 13, 2008 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Sufi786,

    I never mentioned the Vedas, because I don’t think them that well written. Nevertheless, I hope in your comparison of the Veda passage and the Quran passage your intention wasn’t to show the superiority of the language of the Quran. The Veda passage is more beautiful: “Thou, making light where no light was, and form, O men: where form was not, wast born together with the Dawns.” — What a wonderful line!

    Have you read the Quran in Arabic? I have not. Nor have I read The Odyssey in Greek, or the Zohar in Aramaic, or the Metamorphoses in Latin, or Don Quixote in Spanish. But if a work of literature is powerful, its power cannot help but shine through in the translation. Therefore the Quran has no excuse being inferior in English, which it is.

    I do not doubt that in Arabic speaking countries the Quran is considered the height of literature and poetry. And apparently no one has attempted to surpass it: that would explain the lack of good writers from Arabic (also Muslim) countries. I can think of only three: Hafiz, Rumi and Khayam. But I will give you the Thousand and One Nights as well.

    If the Quran is indeed the work of Allah, and it is the height of literature, than Allah has made a mistake: He has shamed men’s desire for literary achievement. That would be like me (as a teacher) shaming my students by always comparing their work with my own. How inappropriate of Allah!

    It is a shame to look down on the masterpieces of other cultures simply because they do not agree with your world view.

  24. Sirius
    Posted March 14, 2008 at 3:29 am | Permalink

    Sufi, shut up. I know this is your blog and all, but you’re more or less irrelevant to the present conversation. And stop writing everything in ALL CAPS as most of us who’ve used the Internet for more than a week know, usuing all CAPS generally denotes someone is YELLING. With your utter lack of reason and your scrambled semblance of coherence, you do NOT need the added charge of being one of those shrill voices screaming in the digital night. Those you yell the loudest generally have the least to say.

    Think about it.

    And Muhammed and the Qur’an are still fakes. And I’m starting to think you are too.

    And I’m not commenting on anything you’ve said, mostly because I’m still not listening to you. You see, I suffer from idiosis: a severe allergic reaction to the presence of idiocy. [Yes, I'was trying m talking about you again. Those suffering from idiocy generally have no idea they're afflicted.] It’s my hope that some day you’ll actually have something worth hearing because you’ll actually have something worth saying.

    Now, petersonion…. You’re the reason I’m still even on this poor Muslim sap’s blog. You showed up in My Comments.

    You’re really blowing my mind there, peter.

    So my use of belittlement and sarcasm doesn’t become Christianity, eh? Um,Elijah. Mount Carmel. Prophets of Baal. Read it again.

    And I’d really watch throwing stones when you live in the same glass house I live in. Internet vindication? Couldn’t I easily accuse you of the same thing? After all, you’re trolling the Net, pushing your views… You looking for internet vindication, bud? Your views that flimsy?

    Please pick a better argument next time.

    The Gospel of Thomas is discredited as anything but a GNOSTIC text by anyone except the blasted Jesus Seminar. Now, as a Gnostic text, it is thoroughly discredited from a traditional orthodox Christian point of view. Which is really the only POV that matters in this case. Why? Because Christendom has the right to determine what is heresy and what is orthodox Christianity. Gnosticism was identified as a heresy pretty much from square one.

    You point about the “upon this rock I will build my church” text is bunk. Why? Because if the interpretation [you called it an expansion] I related is correct then the text cannot be used to buttress Catholicism. It’s important to note that this text has only even been [mis]quoted to try to disallow Protestantism as a valid expression of the faith. The expanded treatment negates its use as an endorsement of the Catholic faith per se.

    I have lived my life. God willing, I’m not done. I’ve lived passion, depression, love, hate, reason, faith, doubt, joy and pain and all the rest. As the Master said, In this world you will have trouble, but I will give you my peace. I am come that you might have life and have life more a bundantly.

    Gnosticism only promises “secret knowledge.” Promises, promises. On what authority? At least the idiot Muslim claims to have an authority for his knowledge. His authority is a sham, of course. What’s your authority? You? Are you more than human? prove it. Are you merely human? Why should I listen to you?

    I’ll take the Word of God, thank you, proven historically, archaeologically accurate, verified by fulfilled prophecy and validated by God by the literal historical resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    –Sirius Knott

  25. sufi786
    Posted March 14, 2008 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    SIRUS The BORN LOOSER SAID

    Sufi, shut up. I know this is your blog and all, but you’re more or less irrelevant to the present conversation. And stop writing everything in ALL CAPS as most of us who’ve used the Internet for more than a week know, usuing all CAPS generally denotes someone is YELLING. With your utter lack of reason and your scrambled semblance of coherence, you do NOT need the added charge of being one of those shrill voices screaming in the digital night. Those you yell the loudest generally have the least to say.

    Think about it.

    And Muhammed and the Qur’an are still fakes. And I’m starting to think you are too.

    And I’m not commenting on anything you’ve said, mostly because I’m still not listening to you. You see, I suffer from idiosis: a severe allergic reaction to the presence of idiocy. [Yes, I’was trying m talking about you again. Those suffering from idiocy generally have no idea they’re afflicted.] It’s my hope that some day you’ll actually have something worth hearing because you’ll actually have something worth saying.

    MY REPLY :

    DONT TELL HOW TO WRITE AND HOW NOT TO WRITE , BETTER GIVE THIS ADVICE TO YOUR VERY OWN SCRIBES LIARS WHO HAVE WRITTEN THE BIBLE !!!

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

    YOU ARE BORN LOOSER SIRUS , AND YOU HAVE LEARNED TO BECOME A PATHETIC LIAR AS WELL , WELL DONE THAT ADDS TO YOU STRIPES IN MERRITT !!!

    YOU HAVE PROVEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER MERIT AND THAT IS OF BEING A COWARD !!!

    IN THIS WHOLE MARATHON OF DEBATE YOU HAVE FAILED TO PROVE JESUS AS AN GOD , AND EXPLAIN WHERE THIS PORNOGRAPHY AND TERRORISM , RACISM CAME FROM IN YOUR HOLY BIBLE !!!

    ALL YOU HAVE SPOKEN IS THAT YOU KNOW QURAN IS FALSE AND BIBLE IS RIGHT – WITHOUT SHOWING A SINGLE BAD PORNOGRAPHY OR TERRORISM IN THE QURAN OR A SINGLE MISTAKE WHICH WILL MAKE QURAN A NOT SO HOLY BOOK AS YOUR NOT SO HOLY BIBLE!!! .

    GO IN PEACE – BE HAPPY IN YOUR DELUSIONS !!!

  26. Sirius
    Posted March 16, 2008 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Sufi,

    You really should take my advice. And you might want to work on your spelling, too.

    It’s spelled L-O-S-E-R, you semi-literate Qur’an worshipper.

    See why I take you so seriously?

    ;]

    Sirius Knott

  27. sufi786
    Posted March 17, 2008 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    SIRUS THE L-O-O-S-R

    SAID

    Sufi,

    You really should take my advice. And you might want to work on your spelling, too.

    It’s spelled L-O-S-E-R, you semi-literate Qur’an worshipper.

    See why I take you so seriously?

    ;]

    Sirius Knott

    MY REPLY :

    YOUR ARE VERY BAD L-O-S-E-R , SAY G-O-O-D-B-Y-E TO YOUR FAITH AND G-O-D !!!

    THANKS FOR THE ADVICE ON SPELLING I AM REALLY BAD IN SPELLING , WILL WORK ON IT .

  28. Sirius
    Posted March 17, 2008 at 4:10 am | Permalink

    I rest my case.

    Sirius Knott


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