Hindu Gods Whisperd The Vedas into Aryan ears Only? but Why not in the Ears of original Native Lower Caste Dravidians !!! ?

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Whispering of Vedas into Aryan ears ?

The Basic foundations of Hinduism are the Vedas. The Vedic

culture was an integral part of the Indo- Aryans by the time they

had arrived in India. We all know that the Indo Aryans came to

India mainly from the Central Asia. So, is it right for us to say

that Hinduism was born in India? Was Hinduism was born outside

India and later developed to its present stage in India? It is mind

boggling for any one with minimum intelligence to understand

why the Hindu gods whispered all the sacred Vedas

only in to the ears of the Aryans. Why did not the Hindu gods

whisper such sacred and knowledgeable Vedas in to the ears of

the peace loving and docile local inhabitants of India-

Dravidians? Why did these Hindu gods wait for the arrival of the

destructive and brutal Aryans before they secretly whispered in

to their ears only?

The above Experts Taken From

http://www.tamilnation.org/forum/shanranjit/hinduism.htm#Hinduism%20equals%20Brahminism?

Important Note :The Aryans looted and massacred the native

Indians DarvidiansEven the Hindu Gods killed the Dalits

( Shudra, Dravidians)With their own hands and bosted of their

exploits

Sambuka was slain (by Rama) because he was making penance which was forbidden to hime by Vedas as he was a “Shudra”( Lower caste ) (Uttara kanadam, Chapter 76).

Looking at is hand Rama said the Sanskirt slogan “O right hand, you kill this Asche Shudra( lower caste Hindu ) unhesitatingly as killing this Shudra is the only way to get back the life of the deceased Brahmin boy.”Are you not one of the limbs of Rama? (Valmiki Ramayana)

Note: This Rama, who mercilessly took away the life of Sambuka for no other fault than that of making penance, is held as the Avatar (incarnation) of Vishnu (God)! If there were kings like Rama alive now, alas! what would be the plight of those who are called “Shudras ( lower caste Hindus) ?”.

Above Experts Taken From

“Oh! You Hindu Awake”by Dr. Kamal Chatterjee, M.A., PH.D (U.S.A)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/4789/Articles/General/hindu_awake.htmImportant

Note :The Aryans looted and massacred the native Indians

DarvidiansEven the Hindu Gods killed the Dalits ( Shudra,

Dravidians)With their own hands and bosted of their exploits In

the light of the above facts one can nothing but doubt and say

wonder “WHY DID THE HINDU GODS WAITED TO

WISHPER THE VEDAS ONLY TO THE FORGIEN ARYANS

BRAHMINS BUT

NOT TO THE POOR NATIVE INDIANS THE

DRAVIDIANS ?”

In the Light of above facts one cant but wonder was Hindu

religion born in India ? And if it was born in India it has at least

corrupted the religion of Dravidians and which was used to

make fools and slaves out

of the poor Dravidians and it continues till date in India !!! by

forgien so called upper caste Aryans

The Basic foundations of Hinduism are the Vedas. The Vedic

culture was an integral part of the Indo- Aryans by the time they

had arrived in India. We all know that the Indo Aryans came to

India mainly from the Central Asia. So, is it right for us to say

that Hinduism was born in India? Was Hinduism was born outside

India and later developed to its present stage in India?

Today millions of Fanatic Hindus including the Lower caste Hindus want an RAM RAJ or RAM RULE to be established again in India !!!

These foolish Lower caste Hindus have not even the slightest Idea , that if the ways of their Lord Rama are established again they will be slaughtered and butcherd !!!

Leave alone the Lower caste Hindu getting any kind of rights or respect from their beloved Lord Rama and his fanatic Upper caste Brahmins followers !!!

It is only Islam that can salvage this situation at ease. The moment any individual, or a Dalit(Lower caste Hindu) enters into the fold of his or her Creator and Sustainer by reciting and confirming that: “There is no deity except Allah and Muhammad is His messenger [LA Ilaha Illallah Muhammadun Rasulullah], he or she demolishes the centuries old bondage of caste system and immediately comes at par with the highest place in the society. There is no caste system in Islam, All men and women are born equal.

In Islam, excellence depends on the attainment of piety or Allah-consciousness. There is no limit to it. The more a person can acquire it, the higher position he will get in the society. Respectability in Islam depends on Allah-Consciousness [Taqwah] and not on caste, race, wealth, power or position. This is the only way to abolish the political and social hegemony of Brahmanism in India. This road is wide open. Dalits and its leadership should come forward and grab it to finish their state of ignominy and centuries old deprivation. Now only Islam can elevate their status to the point of honor and dignity by granting them equal status at par with the highest placed in the society.

In fact, it is Allah who has given this guaranteed status to all who enter into His fold. No one can even think of taking it back or usurp in any from or shape even by the mightiest monarch, a Congress or a Parliament howsoever powerful it may be.

The Qur’an ordains it and Allah’s Prophet confirms it categorically in his eloquent addresses. “O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another. Verily, the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is one who is deeply conscious of Him [or the best in conduct] Behold, Allah is all-knowing and all-aware.” [ Holy Qur’an. 49: 13]

Prophet Muhammad [peace be upon him – (S)] in his last sermon from the Mount of Arafat [Makkah] declared: “An Arab is no better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is no better than an Arab; A red raced man is no better than a black, except in piety. Mankind are Adam’s children and Adam was created from dust”

Islam prohibits all kinds of distinctions on account of race, color, birth or language.

The society established by Prophet Muhammad (S) was unique in this respect. It had Salman from Persia [Iran], Bilal from Ethiopia, Suhaib from Rome, all living together with honor and respect. Prophet Muhammad (S) married his cousin, Zainab of the noblest tribe of Quraish to Zaid bin Harith who was purchased by his wife Khadija as slave.

Caliph Omar used to call Bilal who was originally a slave as Sayyedna Bilal [Bilal My Lord] and used to accommodate him to sit by his side whenever he visited him during his Caliphate.

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Dr Syed Abdul Raheem

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6 Comments

  1. ramkumar
    Posted April 4, 2008 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    Ya,it is true the aryans had hijacked the hindu gods for themselves.Their sayings and doings were and are always diametrically opposite.Take for example the saying Vasudeiva kutumbam.Did they ever practice what they preached.They are a bad predecessors to our present day politicians.Had they practice what they preached there would not have been dalits and any low caste peoples.No caste at all.Aryan`s vasudeva kutumbam is the family of brahmin priests.

  2. Prophecy Watcher
    Posted April 28, 2008 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    1) Regeneration (Matthew 19:28)- This is a process whereby God’s Fire (Deuteronomy 4:24) changes an existence (1 Corinthians 15:47-54) into “Spirit” (John 4:24). A spirit is an Angel (Psalm 104:1-5). These Angels are the Sons of God (Job 38:-7-10; Job 1:1-10; Genesis 6:1-10). These Angelic Spirits are the Hand (Finger) of God (Exodus 8:9;1 Kings 18:1-end). The Fiery Change is called “Heaven” (Revelation 1:10). Anyone who goes to Heaven is God’s Son (Revelation 21:7; Hebrews 12:22). The Son is Equal To The Father As Spirit. This Regenerative Equalization is called, “Blasphemy”. This Equalization makes the Sons of God, the Elohim. The Elohim (family of God(s)) assists in the Creation, Ruling, Judging, and Regeneration (“re-creation”) of (human and all) existence (John 10:30-34; Genesis 1:26-27; Matthew 24:30-34). This Fiery Change is considered God’s Judgment upon the Flesh (Physical Human). Physical Humans are considered “sinful” by God’s Spirit (Heaven) God’s Fire is the “Lake of Fire And Brimstone” (Revelation 17:16; Matthew 25:31-46; 2 Peter 3:7-13; Revelation 21:1-end; Revelation 20:). Transfiguration (transferrence) is another term used to denote Oneness with God (Matthew 17:1-15; Exodus 24:16-18; John 17:17-21; Deuteronomy 6:4). The Angels are the Stars of Heaven (Revelation 12:1-5). Angels are also the Rains/Flood/Hand of Heaven (1 Kings 18:41-46; Matthew 24:37-39; Genesis 6:1-End)

    2) Repent (Genesis 6 )- This is a Biblical word describing Regneration. When God “repents”, He is Refreshing or Regeneration Himself. Regneration (the “new” or “refreshed” God) occurs on God’s Sabbath Rest (Exodus 31:17; Titus 3:2-5; Genesis 2:3; Hebrews 3:1-end; Hebrews 4:1-7).

    3) Hell-Any Biblical word denoting Great Heat, Fire, Judgment, etc. is referring to God’s Regeneration Process.

    4) Salvation-Deliverance- A “Saved Soul” is Spirit. A Spirit becomes One or Equal with God and is God’s Son or Daughter (Children of God, Children of Elohim) (John 17:17-27; John 10:30-34; John 3:1-16; Rev 21:7; Romans 8:). When a human says that they are Saved, they are unknowningly referring to Final Salvation which is Spirit Regeneration (John 4:24; Matthew 19:28; Psalm 104:1-5; Deuteronomy 4:24).

    5) Judgment Day-This is the time period whereby God Regenerates all creation (which includes planet Earth). This is the Day of the Lord (YHWH) (Revelation 1:10; Joel 2:1-35) and the Coming Again (Matthew 24:3; John 14:28) (Jesus-Yehoshua-Joshua-Messiah-Son).

    6) Mountains, Clouds, Wind, Chariots, Horses, Ships, Vessels- These are Supernatural Angelic “Ships” of God. These crafts arenot bound by human sciences or laws (Hebrews 12:22; Isaiah 2:1-5; 2 Kings 2:1-20; Daniel 11:40-44; Revelation 18:1-end).

    7) Low Plain (plane), Valley- Angelic Fiery Planes “falling” (descending) to planet Earth during Salvation (Deliverance), Judgment, Rapture (the taking (carrying) away into “Heaven” (2 Kings 2:1-25; Revelation 17:1-10), and Regeneration (Revelation 13:11-16; John 1:51; Revelation 12:1-12; Genesis 19: )

    7) Bottomless Pit- The “Sea” of Death (Outer Space) (Revelation 17:10-16; Revelation 20:1-5; Revelation 13:1-10).

    8) Worker of Iniquity, Man of Sin, Craftsman, Taskmasters Son of Perdition, Antichrist, Beast-The Iniquity is refusal to obey God and accept His Messiah (Daniel 9:1-end). God promised to send Craftmen (Taskmasters) to discipline the disobedient (iniquity) (2 Kings 14:14-16; Exodus 5:14-19; Deuteronomy 27:15). The Worker is assigned by God to try (tempt/test), judge and destroy (Son of Perdition) Iniquity. This Worker will Destroy God’s House (Matthew 7:24-27). Judgment is God’s Fire. God often sends “Satan the (Serpent/Dragon) Father” to Judge His House. God’s House Is God’s “Woman” (His Spiritual Wife) (Deuteronomy 4:24; Matthew 6:9; Job 1:1-10; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 1 Corinthains 7:5; John 8:23-34; Revelation 12:1-16). This Antichrist Beast (1 John 4:1-3; Revelation 13:) is a person inhabited by Satan (Spirit-the Hereafter) who works to Judge God’s House. The Hereafter is the “land” of Spirits. These Spirits are One with God and are Immortal Beings (Existences) (Luke 22:3; 1 Corinthians 15:47-55). The Eighth Beast Ascends out of the Bottomless Pit (space, sea) and is of the Seventh. This verse is referring to a Spirit-inhabited person commissioned by God to Judge (Destroy) His House. This “Worker” is a Son because that Being has been Regenrated (Revelation 17:10-16). The Biblical phrase “Man” often refers to God (Exodus 3:11). Man (humans) was made in God’s Image (Genesis 1:26-27; Exodus 3:11).

    9) The Apostle Peter often symbolized the “Man of Sin”- Peter is associated with God’s Fire (coals, warming). Peter denied Jesus (symbolizing the Forsaking of God’s House during Judgment). Peter is often associated with the sinking into the sea/water (Jonah/Jonas) (bottomless pit) and rising with the Hand (God’s Angelic Sons). Peter is associated with Prison and Herod. Both these Bible figures symbolize death, resurrection, and rebirth (rising, raising, living again) (Mark 16:40-46; John 21: ; Matthew 16: 17-28; The Book of Jonah/Jonas; Matthew 27:46; Mark 14:27-32; Acts 4:1-end; Revelation 20:1-15; Revelation 17:10-16). Whoever Holds The “Rock-Father” position of Peter can become the “Man of Sin (Satanic Son Of Perdition) Matthew 16: 16-28; Matthew 6:9; Deuteronomy 32:4)

    10) The Throne (Seat)-Bible “sit(ting)” symbolizes God’s Judgment. Bible “stand(ing)” symbolizes Heavenly Entrance (Salvation). The Beast (man of sin, son of perdition) is allowed to “sit” as he/she Judges God’s House. The striking, smiting, or removal of the throne occurs during Salvation (Passover, Crossover,Ascension, Heavenly Jerusalem, Heavanly Mount Zion, Jerusalem Above) (2 Thessalonians 2:1-10; Revelation 16:10-16; Galatians 4:26; Luke 21:28; Acts 7: ; Daniel 12:1; Revelation 11:11-15; Acts 12:1-3, 21-25; Revelation 17:1-5; Exodus 12:10-20).

    11) Darkness, Judgment, Time of Trouble-There will come a time when God personally Judges (Forsakes) His House. God will Rapture Jesus’ Disciples into “Heavens Mountains” (Matthew 24:15-22; 1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the Earth will go Dark. This Darkness may be symbolic, but appears to be literal. This will be Chastisement and Judgment upon God’s House. She (His Woman (wife)) refused His Messiah (God’s Name). God’s House will be stomp, stamped, trodden, walked on, and crushed until she repents to the Messiah (the Blood of the Lamb). God will then Redeem His Wife, and the Marriage of the Lamb will occur. The Marriage of the Lamb is Oneness with God, when all enter God’s House (Becoming His Son/Daughter Revelation 21:7) (Joel 2:1-35; Exodus 19:1-end; Matthew 7:17-25; Luke 21: ; Matthew 24: ; Genesis 3:14-16; Revelation 14: ; Luke 21:24; Revelation 12:1-16; John 6:1-26; Matthew 23:37-39; Romans 16:20; Luke 3:1-6; Revelation 19:1-end; Revelation 21:1-5). Darkness (the Sixth Hour) Is Prepration (the Making Ready) for Righteousness (Repentance into God’s World-Light) (Revelation 19:7; Genesis 1:1-3; Luke 3:1-7).

    12) Satan, Father, Lie, Deceiver, Serpent, Viper, Leviathan, Twisted, Crooked Serpent, Devil-The Biblical Serpent Isnot Always the “Evil” that history says. God often calls His own people, “serpents” and “vipers”. Satan is often used as the “Son of Perdition” (or worker of iniquity) to chastise (Judge) God’s House into Repentance (Redemption)- (Luke 3:1-7; Job 1:1-10; Revelation 12:1-16; Matthew 6:9; John 8:30-44; 1 Corinthians 5:5).

    13) Burnt Offering Sacrifice (Holocaust)-This is a biblical phrase symbolizes the Regeneration. Read Daniel Chapter 3 (Daniel 3:1-end). 3 (three) worshippers were thrown into the heated furnance (Holocaust), but did not die. The Son of God (Regeneration Archangel of the Lord, Michael) appearred. It is the Man of Sin’s Job to cause and become “Burnt Offerings” unto the Lord (2 Thessalonians 2:1-15; Deuteronomy 4:24; Revelation 12:1-15; Genesis 22:1-22).

    14) He Goat (Male Goat)-an Historical symbol for Satan. Judas became the He Goat which betrayed the Lamb Jesus (Luke 22:3; Daniel 8:1-20; Exodus 12:1-15)

    15) Ram-The Kings of Media (Media)-Perisa (Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Ancient Babylon (Iraq))-Daniel 10:10-15; Daniel 8:30-32-The Ram is commanded to be a burnt offering unto God (Genesis 22:1-end). The Historian Herodotus informs us that the Medes and Persians were originally Aryans, and that Media was a Goddess.

    16) Herod- Herod was a type of king of Israel. The bible uses Herod to symbolize living, dying (prison, bound, bottomless pit Revelation 20:1-10), and lying again (loose, loosening) (Acts Chapter 4 and Jesus-John the Baptist).

    17) Relativity-This was a Theory theorized by Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein was a German born Jewish male.

    The Present Powers That Be constantly use these Biblical words. We can see that these future events will occur to fulfill Bible Prophecy (God’s Will):

    A) The Aryans will Re-Arise and Subdue (Invade) all of Medeo-Persia (Ancient Aryan land)
    B) A Burnt Offering (Holocaust) of the Ram Will Occur (Daniel 8:1-32; Daniel 10:13-15; Genesis 22:1-22)
    C) Some Type Of “Rapture” Will Occur For Jesus’ Disciples (Matthew 24:15-22)
    D) A Time Of Darkness And A Judging Of God’s House Will Occur (Luke 21: )
    E) God’s House Will Repent, Accept Messiah, And Be Redeemed (Matthew 23:37-39; Luke 21: )
    F) A New Age (Oneness With The Spirit) Will Begin (John 17:17-21)

  3. suryanarayana Basina
    Posted May 19, 2008 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    This is the stupidity of india. one says not to involve in religion, other fights for same. well i read this and found all are misunderstud.is ramayana was true ? if yes stand for that and agree . say not then dont think about that.is rama killed dalit. ( is mentioned in ramayana as dalit?is kansiram and mayawathi was present to testify him?). not the meening is completely different then what shown here.For studiying all these subjects you required high degree of philosophy and logic. god never waited for tell the vedas. all vedas are not created at a time. rigvedha clearly says EKO PARAMATMA or single god/superbeing. but what about intelligents are understud and followed. this is simple brahmin propaganda. Indian religion is totally destroyed by brahmins.lord krishna was Yadav who consider as great of all, not all vishnu rupas are brahmins . they are totally aryan stories and cultures. yes that is true that dravidians and neglected may due to their complexion.but brahmins are in dravidian sects, even dalits are in aryan sects. aryan dalits are facing more problem then dravidians.god hanuman was dravidian. krishnas 3 wifes are dravidians. people say rawan was king of dravid is totally stupid understand he was pure then rama and brahma putra ( son of aryan brahmana ).by debiting this you people are crearing cheos and propaganda of deviding nation. as dravidian is i say that kick out all this northindians out of india .( exept all four states of india)by showing this debit as trueth, then what happens?.vedas are in sankrit , in those days that is the main langueage of study and understand.in point after arrive of aryans india is shined. india attracted all overthe human history by other nations.even to day we are still in demand even after .why is like this ? why not other nation in the world has so great attraction and migration? hinduism still surviving after long strugles. because of men who understund this in well manner . the religions which are born in that time are barely surviving. not the original sects are seeing now. many languages in india was not there in last millenium.but three out of four dravid languages are were there.rama killed one dravidian is your argue , meen you are agreeing rama’s exsitance . ‘Shahbash ‘ then follow the true hindhuism . he took dravidians help to kill one aryan. just because of wife’s kidnap with out allowing him to reborn.understud total hinduism and write or talk. every thing is required great study from all the views, you should read the tamil writings on hinduism , they are not written by aryans, todays hinduism is surviving due to adi sankaracharyas restoration. he himself is dravidian.should take like this matters for considaration.

  4. drumesh
    Posted August 7, 2008 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Your basic premise that Aryans came to India from Central Asia seems to be wrong in light of the new findings and research which conclusively prove that Aryans were the original inhibitants of India and from India have spread throughout the world.

    Thus it seems true that Vedas were wispered in the ears of Aryans (as they were the only tribe around) “dravidians” are a creation of Imperialists who are trying to give a message that just as Aryans (who were outsiders) subjucated you at one time (they had blue eyes and were tall and fair etc) and have rulled you, we have a right to rule you (and loot you) Dravidians, as you mean, never existed and the word Dravidian is a derivation of Dakkhan or south. ie people living in south. This did not convey any race which was beaten back by ‘Aryans’.

  5. amit ragen
    Posted December 13, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    it is so obvious that you are trying to create a divide.its a typical divide and rule strategy,pathetic!more pathetic the fact that use information that got updated long time ago.you have to keep verifying your sources man!scientists and researchers try all the time to prove things and like always have to correct themselves endlessly.do you know how many times they have made mistakes aboout the origin of the aryans?it wouldn’t surprise me if tomorrow they say aryans came from mars or somthing lol!AND ONE THING…HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT YOU DESCRIBED THE “DRAVIDIANS” AS ORIGINAL NATIVE LOW CASTE?ORIGINAL AND NATIVE PROBABLY BUT WHY YOU BASTARD HAVE TO BELITTLE US AS LOWER CASTE?as far as RAM is concerned,he ate the leftover of a what you call a “low caste” woman, he even took her hand and address her as mother!i am a south indian hindu and i have been reading almost all the bona fide scriptures of dharma as well as the al quran sharif,the holy bible,the avesta and the tanakh-talmud and i have found good things in all them and i can tell you thet the most beautiful,inspiring,divine,godly,righteous of all is the hindu texts.and i swear if ever i had found any other better i would have converted, but i didnt have to because i found out not that hinduism is the one true religion but the best of all the others.they are all good but choosed the best.there are good things in the al quran sharif as well but you find them randomly in between “your god’s”bad humour,agressiveness,jealousy,megalomaniacism,cruelty,ego,selfishness,selfcenteredness etc…he only wants people to kill,rape,commit adultery,pedophillia,treat women as peice of crap,kill,conqer,shed blood,mutilate each other,kill and more kill!im not getting into your crapy fake religion!

  6. Muhammad Rizwan
    Posted February 10, 2009 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Dear all Hindus,

    I think the best translation of the Holy Hindu books can be given by Sri Acharya Sanjay Dwivedi (The High Priest of Birla group of Temples, The President of All India Brahmins Association).

    So let us study from him the translations & come back & argue with Sufi786.

    Till then lets not argue with Sufi786….

    Click the links below to listen from Acharya Sanjay Dwivedi…

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4552756486593150436&hl=en

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5883056468606108734&hl=en


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