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100% proof Jesus is not God! The temptation of Jesus

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I’m a former believing Christian who embraced Islam and now I share Allah’s message of salvation and love with you.

I also share with you the authentic teaching of Prophet Jesus (p).

I love Allah because He first loved me.

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  1. jenny
    Posted March 21, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    well, where should i begin, the reason why Jesus was temped first of all was so that we couldn’t complain saying He doesn’t know what if feels like to be tempeted cause He is perfect, secondly it showed us that we can withstand temptation and be victorious, but because we are imperfect people we sometimes get caught up in it. Plus that bible verse
    Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (James 1:13).
    Meaning that temptation does not come from Him but the devil, why? because the devil doesn’t go up in heaven and says well God i think you should like do something to that person that would mean that He is being tempted by Satan to do so in heaven. Also that He neither tempts anyone, so when God became flesh in Jesus He was also able to feel temtation because guess what this world belongs to the devil because up there in heaven the devil can’t do anything but here on earth he can do whatever he wishes to do and we can clearly see that in this verse “Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory. And he said to Him, “All these things will I give you if you fall down and worship me.” – Matthew 4:8-9
    Meaning that this world is the devil’s plus look at all the cruelty in it, it definiely shows becasu God doesn’t bring about bad things.
    By the way the devil didn’t really pick him up and took him to that spot because it is hard to actually climb a mountain high enough to see all the world so i am pretty sure the devil did somekind of supernatural thing to show Jesus that.
    Another thing you said was that minor and major sin but the Bible tells me that all sin wether big or small is all sin in God’s eyes, “Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned”- Romans 5:12
    As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;” – Romans 3:10
    from what i read Jesus was the only one who absolutely followed pefectly the law and was sinless, that is why the religious leaders in His day couldn’t find anything to accuse Him of because He was perfect, and that is why the religious leaders had to find someone that would trade Him in. By the way you are forgetting that Jesus was only tempted for 40 days in the dessert not His whole life but for 40 day in the wilderness. so He was perfect.

  2. Posted March 22, 2008 at 5:08 am | Permalink

    Jenny Said

    well, where should i begin, the reason why Jesus was temped first of all was so that we couldn’t complain saying He doesn’t know what if feels like to be tempeted cause He is perfect, secondly it showed us that we can withstand temptation and be victorious, but because we are imperfect people we sometimes get caught up in it

    MY REPLY :

    for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (James 1:13).

    Jenny God CANNOT BE TEMPTED – it is as simple as that , if Jesus was tempted then Jesus is NOT GOD 100 % , there is no doubt about it .

  3. jenny
    Posted March 24, 2008 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    that is what it means God cannot be tempted, evil has no appeal or attraction to God at all. Therefore, God cannot desire evil outcomes and cannot desire to lead people to evil up in heaven. When Jesus came down He voluntarily limited His use of His divine attributes and left them in the Father’s Hands. (John 17:4,5 Phil. 2:5-8) Why? Because He came down for a mission and that is to take on the sin of the world, but His second coming will be with all His divine attributes and with great power the same one that He has up in heaven. Plus when Jesus was being tempted, He did it to show us that we can be victrious during times of tribulation and temptation but the reality is that Jesus is immune to temptation. He did it to show us that we can overcome it, but He was righteous and sinless and perfect, why did He have to be sinless? so that He can take on the sin of the world and carry it all the way to the cross to be the ultimate sacrifice.

  4. Posted March 25, 2008 at 3:18 am | Permalink

    Jenny Said

    that is what it means God cannot be tempted, evil has no appeal or attraction to God at all. Therefore, God cannot desire evil outcomes and cannot desire to lead people to evil up in heaven. When Jesus came down He voluntarily limited His use of His divine attributes and left them in the Father’s Hands. (John 17:4,5 Phil. 2:5-8) Why? Because He came down for a mission and that is to take on the sin of the world, but His second coming will be with all His divine attributes and with great power the same one that He has up in heaven. Plus when Jesus was being tempted, He did it to show us that we can be victrious during times of tribulation and temptation but the reality is that Jesus is immune to temptation. He did it to show us that we can overcome it, but He was righteous and sinless and perfect, why did He have to be sinless? so that He can take on the sin of the world and carry it all the way to the cross to be the ultimate sacrifice.

    MY REPLY :

    for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (James 1:13).

    Jenny God CANNOT BE TEMPTED – it is as simple as that , if Jesus was tempted then Jesus is NOT GOD 100 % , there is no doubt about it .

    WHEN GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED THE HE CANNOT BE TEMPTED IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT .

    If the devil actually somehow manages to tempt a supposed God , or if that supposed God makes himself open for Temptation then that supposed God cannot be True God , but a Sham and a fake .

    for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (James 1:13).

  5. jenny
    Posted March 27, 2008 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    let me tell you that what you say makes no sense at all, read it from the beggining and read that part, yes God cannot be tempted to do anything evil or to bring temptation to anyone, but again Jesus gave up His throne in heaven to come down and become like us, gave up some of His divine power and knolege in the Fathers hands, but again Jesus here on earth was and is immune to temptation,
    but you know what, you can believe what you want to believe because the truth is wether you like it or not He came down to die especially for you so you no longer have to suffer with the burden of sin, if you are willing to open you heart to Him, cause guess what? He is at the footstep of your heart, knocking, waiting for you to open the door.

  6. Posted March 27, 2008 at 4:09 am | Permalink

    Jenny Said

    let me tell you that what you say makes no sense at all, read it from the beggining and read that part, yes God cannot be tempted to do anything evil or to bring temptation to anyone, but again Jesus gave up His throne in heaven to come down and become like us, gave up some of His divine power and knolege in the Fathers hands, but again Jesus here on earth was and is immune to temptation,
    but you know what, you can believe what you want to believe because the truth is wether you like it or not He came down to die especially for you so you no longer have to suffer with the burden of sin, if you are willing to open you heart to Him, cause guess what? He is at the footstep of your heart, knocking, waiting for you to open the door.

    MY REPLY:

    JENNY SEE THE TRUTH

    for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (James 1:13).

    Jenny God CANNOT BE TEMPTED – it is as simple as that , if Jesus was tempted then Jesus is NOT GOD 100 % , there is no doubt about it .

    WHEN GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED THE HE CANNOT BE TEMPTED IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT .

    If the devil actually somehow manages to tempt a supposed God , or if that supposed God makes himself open for Temptation then that supposed God cannot be True God , but a Sham and a fake .

    for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (James 1:13).

    AND OPEN YOUR EYES

    FOR THE MOMENT SUPPOSED GOD IN JESUS GET TEMPTED THEN HE IS NO LONGER GOD FOR

    for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (James 1:13).

    AND THE MOMENT GOD DEEMS IT O.K TO BE TEMPTED IN JESUS THEN FROM THAT MOMENT GOD BECOMES THE GREATEST LIAR WHEN HE CLAIMS OTHERWISE

    for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (James 1:13).

    PEACE MAY GOD OPEN YOUR EYES AND MIND

  7. jenny
    Posted March 27, 2008 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    wow, you have all this truth right in front of you face and yet you can not see, is it that you do not understand, i am not repeating what i have said because what i have said is the truth, and again God made himself human in Jesus Christ to take the sin of the world, He is actually immune to temptation and again He did it especially for us to show us how evil the devil and this world really wich belongs to him and to show us that we can be victorious, Plus “for God cannot be tempted by evil”,here is a reason shown, why God cannot be the author of evil behaviour in us, since he does not desire evil behaviour. That is what it means and it is that simple the thing that you want to do is twist the word of God, so that people will fall into your trap, i feel bad for you, “We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true–even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.” – 1 John 5:19-20
    then again the word of God does say this,
    “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.” Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles” – 1Corinthians 1:18-24

  8. Posted March 27, 2008 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Jenny Said

    wow, you have all this truth right in front of you face and yet you can not see, is it that you do not understand, i am not repeating what i have said because what i have said is the truth, and again God made himself human in Jesus Christ to take the sin of the world, He is actually immune to temptation and again He did it especially for us to show us how evil the devil and this world really wich belongs to him and to show us that we can be victorious, Plus “for God cannot be tempted by evil”,here is a reason shown, why God cannot be the author of evil behaviour in us, since he does not desire evil behaviour. That is what it means and it is that simple the thing that you want to do is twist the word of God, so that people will fall into your trap, i feel bad for you, “We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true–even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.” – 1 John 5:19-20

    MY REPLY :

    What is the difference between you and your Christian faith and many pagans faiths who ALL CLAIM WHAT YOU SAY ABOVE THAT GOD BECAME A MAN- IF GOD BECAME MAN ONCE WHY NOT A THOUSAND TIMES , AND IS NOT THE HUMAN GODS OF HINDUISM , BUDDHA ETC ARE GODS TOO? WHAT ABOUT THAT ? WHY GOD HAS TO BECOME HUMAN ONLY ONCE?
    THAT IS ONLY FOR THE PLEASURE AND FANTASY OF CHRISTIANS ? WHY NOT FOR THE PLEASURE AND FANTASY OF HINDUS ? AND OTHER PAGANS ?

    Jenny be honest don’t put your words in the mouth of God by saying God is not the author of evil , yes God is not author of evil and neither evil can approach him , neither any Satan can tempt him . if God choose to be tempted by Satan if ONLY for a second then the Satan has become the Master of God if only for a second , So wake up God is not a fool ,

    and certainly he is not allowing the Christians and the Satan to have Fun and Laugh at HIM and His Power by Subjugating Himself to the Power of Temptation, and why does God need to become a Man in the first place , Why did God send the Prophets for ?

    Just to Fool around when he knew that the Prophets cannot show how to conquer Temptation according to you? and centuries latter come in the disguise of a Man to make a Mockery of Himself and His Prophets .

    AND THE MOMENT GOD DEEMS IT O.K TO BE TEMPTED IN JESUS THEN FROM THAT MOMENT GOD BECOMES THE GREATEST LIAR WHEN HE CLAIMS OTHERWISE

    for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone (James 1:13).

    PEACE MAY GOD OPEN YOUR EYES AND MIND

  9. jenny
    Posted March 28, 2008 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    well according to your Quoran God can bring about good and evil. yes God can become human againd but there is no need for that anymore and yes we can conquer sin but since we are humans it is hard to cause we will make mistakes and Jesus is and was sinless.

  10. Posted March 28, 2008 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    JENNY SAID

    well according to your Quoran God can bring about good and evil. yes God can become human againd but there is no need for that anymore and yes we can conquer sin but since we are humans it is hard to cause we will make mistakes and Jesus is and was sinless.

    MY REPLY :

    Jenny in Quran Allah says he does not bring the evil , it is the bad deeds and sins of people which bring evil upon themselves , Allah is high above to bring evil on Innocents

    And vie one with another for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a paradise as wide as are the heavens and the earth prepared for those who ward off (evil); those who spend (of that which Allah has given them) in ease and in adversity, those who control their wrath and are forgiving toward mankind; Allah loves the good; and those who, when they do an evil thing or wrong themselves, remember Allah and implore forgiveness for their sins – who forgives sins save Allah only? And will not knowingly repeat (the wrong) they did.” Holy Quran (3 : 133-135)

    JENNY YOU MUST REALIZE THAT YOU WILL FAIR NO BETTER THAN PAGANS ONCE YOU CLAIM GOD BECAME A MAN !!!- IF ONLY FOR CHRISTIANS PLEASURE ONCE ?

    JENNY ALL PROPHETS IN ISLAM FROM ADAM TO LAST MESSENGER PROPHET MUHAMMAD(S) ARE SINLESS IN REAL SENSE MEANING FREE FROM MAJOR SINS – SO DOES THAT MAKE THEM LAY CLAIM FOR BEING GOD ? NO

    EVERY HUMAN CAN CONQUER SIN IF NOT THEN GOD WILL BECOME THE MOST UNJUST FOR ASKING PEOPLE TO AVOID SINS WHEN HE SUPPOSEDLY KNOWS ACCORDING TO YOU THAT HUMANS CANNOT CONQUER SINS ???

    ONE IMPORTANT QUESTION I ASK YOU

    IF JESUS HAS ALREADY DIED FOR THE SINS OF CHRISTIANS THEN WHY ARE THE CHRISTIANS BEING PUNISHED BY GOD ?

    WHY THERE IS STILL SUFFERING IN THE CHRISTIAN WORLD ?
    MORE SO AFTER THE SUPPOSED DEATH OF JESUS FOR THE SINS OF CHRISTIANS ? JUST REMEMBER THE TWO WORLD WARS ?

  11. jenny
    Posted March 29, 2008 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    you claim that all the prophets were sinless regarding major sins well to God sin is sin whether it is a small lie or murder in God’s sight sin is sin. So they all needed to ask for forgiveness as for Jesus He was and is perfect, why do you think the religious leaders of that time couldn’t find anything wrong with this man, they had to make something up in order to crucify the Lord. Yes i have also said that humans can conquer sin, but we can all make minor mistakes. Rather it is something we said or something we do, that maybe nobody heard or saw but it is still a mistake.
    As for why is there still suffering, well because you have to remember the world primarily belongs to devil and the devil likes to see those things, God doesn’t. Yes God may put to the test our faith in all this adversary but He doesn’t bring about the bad stuff. This adversary and trials help us to build godly character because this war is between spiritual battles, basically between good and evil.
    Take for example, the account of Joseph who was sold into slavery by His brothers. What they did was wrong and Joseph suffered greatly for it. But, later, God raised up Joseph in Egypt to make provisions for the people of that land during the coming drought of seven years. But not only was Egypt saved, but also so was his family and brothers who originally sold him into slavery. Joseph finally says to them, “You meant it for evil, but God meant it for good” (Gen. 50:15-21). Of course, the greatest example of God using evil for good is the death of Christ. Evil people brought him to the cross, but God used that cross as the means to save the world.
    But then we must ask, if this is true, are we working against God by working against evil and suffering? No, we are not. God says he does not want us to sin and suffer. But it is simply true that God can use evil despite of its apparent despicable nature.
    God is in the world using the world and its failures for His glory and the benefit of those who listen to Him.
    But then, what about those who seem to innocently suffer with no benefit resulting? What about the woman who is raped, or the innocent by stander who is killed by a stray bullet. In both cases, the victims and families suffer nothing but pain and loss. What good can this possibly be?
    I think that the answer is two-fold. One, ultimately, no one is innocent. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23) and are by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:3). There is none innocent. Though this is biblically accurate, it does not satisfy the question emotionally. Why do little babies suffer for things they have not done? I must acknowledge that I do not know. Ultimately, we must trust God who knows the beginning from the end and sees the grand picture. He will have the final word and He will be vindicated.
    Yes Jesus did die to clean the sins of the world, but because not everyone in the world may know or don’t want to accept Him for that, than there will always be sin, and until everyone does accept Him as Lord and Savior and give Jesus their heart, than there will still be sin in it. Plus the devil is constantly trying to find new ways to put Christians down, becasue that is all he can do is put lies in our heads, doubts, fear, worries. But if you put on Jesus like a parachute than all those things are going to slide of you and the devil gets mad, because the devil knows why Jesus came on this earth to do and he hates that.
    You also have to remember the God’s knowlege is way above us and why He does things, we don’t know because He is a mysterious God, and He can do whatever He wants but because He love us He doesn’t, He could have destroyed this world already but that is why the Father was willing to send Jesus to the earth to teach and to suffer and die so that the world could see how evil it is and so many people and still today are recognizing that Jesus is God and that He came to die for them and they are giving there lives to Him and repenting and turning back from their sins. Thank you God, bless it be Your name.
    “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36

  12. Posted March 29, 2008 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    JENNY SAID

    you claim that all the prophets were sinless regarding major sins well to God sin is sin whether it is a small lie or murder in God’s sight sin is sin. So they all needed to ask for forgiveness as for Jesus He was and is perfect, why do you think the religious leaders of that time couldn’t find anything wrong with this man, they had to make something up in order to crucify the Lord. Yes i have also said that humans can conquer sin, but we can all make minor mistakes. Rather it is something we said or something we do, that maybe nobody heard or saw but it is still a mistake.
    As for why is there still suffering, well because you have to remember the world primarily belongs to devil and the devil likes to see those things, God doesn’t. Yes God may put to the test our faith in all this adversary but He doesn’t bring about the bad stuff. This adversary and trials help us to build godly character because this war is between spiritual battles, basically between good and evil.
    Take for example, the account of Joseph who was sold into slavery by His brothers. What they did was wrong and Joseph suffered greatly for it. But, later, God raised up Joseph in Egypt to make provisions for the people of that land during the coming drought of seven years. But not only was Egypt saved, but also so was his family and brothers who originally sold him into slavery. Joseph finally says to them, “You meant it for evil, but God meant it for good” (Gen. 50:15-21). Of course, the greatest example of God using evil for good is the death of Christ. Evil people brought him to the cross, but God used that cross as the means to save the world.
    But then we must ask, if this is true, are we working against God by working against evil and suffering? No, we are not. God says he does not want us to sin and suffer. But it is simply true that God can use evil despite of its apparent despicable nature.
    God is in the world using the world and its failures for His glory and the benefit of those who listen to Him.
    But then, what about those who seem to innocently suffer with no benefit resulting? What about the woman who is raped, or the innocent by stander who is killed by a stray bullet. In both cases, the victims and families suffer nothing but pain and loss. What good can this possibly be?
    I think that the answer is two-fold. One, ultimately, no one is innocent. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23) and are by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:3). There is none innocent. Though this is biblically accurate, it does not satisfy the question emotionally. Why do little babies suffer for things they have not done? I must acknowledge that I do not know. Ultimately, we must trust God who knows the beginning from the end and sees the grand picture. He will have the final word and He will be vindicated.
    Yes Jesus did die to clean the sins of the world, but because not everyone in the world may know or don’t want to accept Him for that, than there will always be sin, and until everyone does accept Him as Lord and Savior and give Jesus their heart, than there will still be sin in it. Plus the devil is constantly trying to find new ways to put Christians down, becasue that is all he can do is put lies in our heads, doubts, fear, worries. But if you put on Jesus like a parachute than all those things are going to slide of you and the devil gets mad, because the devil knows why Jesus came on this earth to do and he hates that.
    You also have to remember the God’s knowlege is way above us and why He does things, we don’t know because He is a mysterious God, and He can do whatever He wants but because He love us He doesn’t, He could have destroyed this world already but that is why the Father was willing to send Jesus to the earth to teach and to suffer and die so that the world could see how evil it is and so many people and still today are recognizing that Jesus is God and that He came to die for them and they are giving there lives to Him and repenting and turning back from their sins. Thank you God, bless it be Your name.
    “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36

    MY REPLY :

    JENNY – I AM SORRY – DO YOU REALLY BELIVE JESUS IS FREE FROM SINS ? – PLEASE DONT GIVE A REASON FOR OTHERS TO HAVE A GOOD LAUGH !!! AT THIS SATEMENT

    THE FIRST SIN OF JESUS TO CALL ALL GENTIELS NON JEWS LIKE YOU JENNY AND ME AS SWINES AND DOGS

    YOU ARE IGNORANT AND THAT IS NO EXCUSE BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT TO THE FACT THAT JESUS CHRIST CALLED YOU A DOG GENTILE AND HE DID NOT COME TO SAVE YOU , HE CAME TO SAVE THE JEWS BUT NOT THE DOG GENTILES LIKE YOU AND THE REST OF MAJORITY DOG GENTILES CHRISTIANS WHO ARE LIARS WHEN THEY SAY JESUS HAS COME TO SAVE THEM AND PUT LIES IN TH MOUTH OF JESUS AND HUMILIATE HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN A MILLION TIMES BY PROVING FALSELY THAT JESUS WAS A LIAR

    Another Important fact which many Christians do not Understand is that the Bible is for JEWS ONLY and the Prophets of Jews , Including Jesus was ONLY SENT TO JEWS by God and not for the non Jews or Gentiles’ that compromise the vast Majority of Christians today

    “A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, ‘Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession. Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, ‘Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.’ He [Jesus] answered, ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.’ The woman came and knelt before him. ‘Lord, help me!’ she said. He [Jesus] replied ‘It is not right to take the children’s [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Gentiles].’ ‘Yes, Lord’ she said, ‘but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.’ Then Jesus answered, ‘Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.’ And her daughter was healed from that very hour. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22-28)”

    ” (Jesus said) Ye [Samaritans] worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for Salvation is of the Jews” John (4:22).

    Matthew Chapter 7, Verse 6:

    6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

    NO JENNY JESUS CANNOT SAVE YOU AND SAVE ME -YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A WORTHLESS GENTILE DOGS AND A SWINE IN THE EYES OF JESUS WHO IS BEGGING JESUS TO GIVE THE BREAD OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD THE JEWS TO YOU – SO DON’T BE MISTAKEN IF JESUS GAVE THE BREAD TO THE GENTILE WOMAN JUST BECAUSE SHE CONSIDERED HERSELF A DOG WHO EATS FROM THE FALLEN CRUMBS OF THE JEWS , THAT JESUS IS ALSO GOING GIVE THAT BREAD TO YOU , BECAUSE THIS WOMEN WAS THE ONLY EXCEPTION CASE IN THE WHOLE LIFE OF JESUS CHRIST TO HAVE RECEIVED THE BREAD OR SALVATION FROM THE JESUS AND JESUS THEREAFTER NEVER EVER THREW THE BREAD OF SALVATION TO ANY OTHER DOG GENTILES OTHER THAN THIS SAMARITAN LADY !!! , OF COURSE JESUS NEVER THREW THE PEARLS TO GENTILE SWINES

    ” (Jesus said) Ye [Samaritans] worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for Salvation is of the Jews” John (4:22).

    JESUS SAID

    for Salvation is of the Jews” John (4:22)

    i.e the Salvation is NOT for ALL Non Jewish people Gentiles

    10:5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 10:6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.10:7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. .

    (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 10:5-7)

    JESUS SAID

    Matt. 10:5 “Go not into the way of the Gentiles”

    Then what should the MAJORITY POOR NON JEWISH CHRISTIANS DO ?

    Become Jews themselves ?

    Which is not possible any way !!!

    Why ?

    because Gentile Dogs cannot become the Children of God the Jews !!! Neither can they EVEN eat fallen crumbs of salvation like dogs from the children table with exception of JUST ONE lady Samaritan !!!

  13. jenny
    Posted April 1, 2008 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    no i am afraid you got that all mixed up, the reason why Jesus said that about the woman first of all was because He knew that the Jews did not like gentiles, so He said it like that to the women but He told the Jews around Him, that He had never seen a faith so much greater in a gentile, Jesus answered, ‘Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.’ And her daughter was healed from that very hour. Jesus knew that the hearts of the Israelities were cold and harsh and they were blind, yes He did give them first choice to accept Him but they did not so we completely got the chance to do so, plus Jesus did not leave her daughter there to die, no He healed her.
    As for Matthew 7:6 Jesus was referring to those who are enemies of the gospel, as opposed to those who are merely unbelievers. This type of enemies are to be left alone, you can still hang out with them but when it comes to the gospel they simply don’t want to hear it. One example of such a person is Herod Antipas, he heard John gladly but then beheaded him. Herod had become a “dog” or a “pig”. Jesus did not refer to gentiles or non belivers. Yes when Jesus was on earth He did want His disciples to start in their homeland but after His death He commanded that they preach the gospel to all the world.
    “Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
    – Matthew 28: 18-20

  14. Posted April 2, 2008 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    JENNY
    SAID

    no i am afraid you got that all mixed up, the reason why Jesus said that about the woman first of all was because He knew that the Jews did not like gentiles, so He said it like that to the women but He told the Jews around Him, that He had never seen a faith so much greater in a gentile, Jesus answered, ‘Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.’ And her daughter was healed from that very hour. Jesus knew that the hearts of the Israelities were cold and harsh and they were blind, yes He did give them first choice to accept Him but they did not so we completely got the chance to do so, plus Jesus did not leave her daughter there to die, no He healed her.
    As for Matthew 7:6 Jesus was referring to those who are enemies of the gospel, as opposed to those who are merely unbelievers. This type of enemies are to be left alone, you can still hang out with them but when it comes to the gospel they simply don’t want to hear it. One example of such a person is Herod Antipas, he heard John gladly but then beheaded him. Herod had become a “dog” or a “pig”. Jesus did not refer to gentiles or non belivers. Yes when Jesus was on earth He did want His disciples to start in their homeland but after His death He commanded that they preach the gospel to all the world.
    “Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
    – Matthew 28: 18-20

    MY REPLY :

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

    Jenny be honest and tell me if I or You call a Human being a PIG AND A DOG – IS IT O.K —- IS IT O.K TO CALL GENTILES PIG AND DOGS ACCORDING TO YOU ? – BY JESUS SO AS JESUS WANTED TO PROVE SOMETHING TO THE CHILDREN OF GOD THE JEWS ???——- PLEASE WHERE IS YOUR SELF RESPECT AND DIGNITY !!!

    AND WHAT KIND OF MORALS WAS JESUS SETTING ANY WAY !!! – PLEASE IT CANT GET WORSE THAN THIS !!!

    WE HAVE CLEARLY SEEN JESUS IN HIS LIFE HAS REFUSED TO THROW BREAD TO SWINES AND DOGS LIKE YOU AND ME , AND HE CLEARLY REFUSED TO PREACH THE MESSAGE OF GOD TO THE GENTILES , JESUS ALSO FORBADE HIS DISCIPLES TO PREACH TO GENTILES , AND HE CLEARLY SAID HE WAS SENT ONLY FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL !!!

    AND ONE FINE DAY AFTER HIS SUPPOSED DEATH HE IS SEEN PROCLAIMING TO HIS DISCIPLES THAT GO AND PREACH TO GENTILES PIGS AND DOGS , IT IS O.K NOW TO THROW THE PEARLS TO THE PIGS AND DOG GENTILES ????????????????????????????

    AS WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT JESUS WAS LYING ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE , EITHER THE FIRST TIME OR IN THE SECOND SUPPOSED VISION OF JESUS PROCLAIMING HIS DISCIPLE TO THROW THE BREAD TO THE GENTILE DOGS AND THROW THE PEARLS TO THE SWINE AND DOG GENTILES ???

    OR THE THIRD REASON COULD BE SIMPLY JESUS DID NOT KNOW HIS MISSION OR WAS MAN BELOW HIS WORTH , WHEN HE COULD NOT EVEN DECIDE TO WHOM HE WAS SENT TO PREACH BY GOD ???

    MAKING A MOCKERY OF HIMSELF AND HIS DISCIPLES GIVING STATEMENTS WHICH PROVE EITHER JESUS OR HIS DISCIPLES TO BE LIARS IN THE HIGHEST DEGREE PLAYING JOKES WITH THE WORDS OF GOD , WHO SAW THE SUPPOSED VISION OF THE CHRIST TELLING THEM NOW IT IS O.K TO THROW THE PEARLS TO THE SWINES AND DOGS THE GENTILES BUT PREVIOUSLY IT WAS NOT O.K BUT NOW IT IS O.K ??????

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

    PLEASE SEE THE FACTS THE BIBLE IS NOT THE TRUE WORD OF JESUS (P) IT IS KNOWN FACT THAT BIBLE WAS NOT EVEN WRITTEN BY DISCIPLES OF JESUS WHO SAW HIM , BUT IS IT WRITTEN BY SOME UNKNOWN DUBIOUS PERSONS — THAT IS WHY WE SEE THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JOHN , LUKE ETC ETC INSTEAD OF THE GOSPEL OF LUKE , OR THE GOSPEL OF JOHN ETC ETC ——- OF COURSE THE GOSPEL OF JESUS OR AT LEAST THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS IS A DREAM THAT NEVER EVER MATERIALIZED , AND WILL NEVER MATERIALIZE IN CHRISTIANITY ———- PLEASE WAKE UP AND SEE THE FACTS .
    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

    FACT ONE — JESUS IS NOT GOD- FOR GOD CANNOT BE A MAN OR BECOME A MAN – THE MOMENT GOD BECOMES A MAN HE BECOMES A MORTAL AND HAS TO EAT AND DRINK AND HAS TO GO TO ANSWER THE CALL OF NATURE – MOREOVER WHO EVER BELIEVES GOD CAN DO ALL THAT FILTH IS A PAGAN WHO BRINGS DISGRACE TO THE PURE GOD .

    FACT TWO —- THE BIBLE IS NOT THE AUTHENTIC WORD OF GOD AND JESUS , NEITHER IT WAS WRITTEN BY ANY DISCIPLE OF JESUS

    FACT THREE– JESUS WAS ONLY SENT TO THE JEWS AND NOT FOR THE GENTILES , AS HE HIMSELF CLAIMED CLEARLY MANY TIMES IN HIS OWN LIFE

    FACT FOUR — THE QURAN AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD ARE THE ONLY WAY OF SALVATION FOR THE GENTILES – ALL THE NON JEWS , PLUS ALL THE JEWS AS WELL WHO BELIEVE IN THE QURAN AND ISLAM .
    BECAUSE GOD SEND PROPHET MUHAMMAD (S) AS AN UNIVERSAL PROPHET FOR ALL THE WORLDS AND HE IS THE LAST AND FINAL PROPHET OF GOD AND QURAN IS THE LAST AND FINAL HOLY BOOK OF GOD SENT ALONG WITH MUHAMMAD(S) TO GUIDE ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD IRRESPECTIVE OF RACE OR COLOR TOWARDS THE PATH OF GOD AND SAVE THEM FROM HELL FIRE .

    P.S :

    I KNOW AS A MUSLIM THAT JESUS(P) WAS AN GREAT PROPHET OF GOD AND HE NEVER EVER LIED , AND HE NEVER EVER COULD CALL GENTILES BY WORDS SUCH AS PIGS AND DOGS ——— BUT ONLY THING WHICH HAS LIED IS THE SCRIBES WHO WROTE THE BIBLE — THEREBY CORRUPTING THE TRUE MESSAGE OF GOD AND MIXING IT WITH FILTH AND LIES , DISGRACING THE NAME OF GOD ALMIGHTY AND HIS GREAT PROPHETS .

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

  15. Fazal
    Posted April 2, 2008 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Jesus clearly said he was for the Jews. “go not into the way of the gentiles” is another verse clearly stating he was for the jews.

    the verse you said is

    “Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    this verse is clearly not from Jesus but from another person. the verse below will make this clear.

    “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.” (John 18:36)

    the verse you quoted wasn’t from Jesus but it was from someone else and it says all authority of this world was to Jesus. the verse i quoted clearly says that his kingdom is not of this world.

    so this is a clear contradiction. the reason for this is that the verse you preached was from another person who apparently saw Jesus as a spirit. this cannot be taken into account over the actual word while Jesus was present. cause as soon as u take the other word more the Jesus’s own word u take the other person to have more right then Jesus.

  16. Julia
    Posted May 18, 2008 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Saviour more than a decade ago. I was healed..changed from glory to glory. I’m now enjoying my life and also my family. Needs being met and its more than enough, I have so much peace and my life is full of joy! There’s more than just reading and quoting the bible verses ..its your heart that matters to God! Where does your faith lead you? Are you living peacefully with people around you? How about your family..were you able to share your joy with them, if you have it?

    God bless you! He loves you and nothing you can do that can’t forgive! May His peace be upon you : )

  17. jenny
    Posted June 10, 2008 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    As for the Bible verse what it simply means, don’t give the Word of God to those who despise it and are enemies of it because they will twist it, change it, try to find contradictions and spit it back at you. All Jesus did was show it in a more pictural way. Jesus himself said why He used stories and pictural ways to prove His point: Matthew 13:10-17. It is like this why would you give your wonderful precious pearls to pigs or dogs, they are valueble obviously the animals are going to trample them and ruin them with mud. That is all Jesus showed but He did not call us pigs or dogs, He did it for the religious leaders because they would steal from people and they would make up there own rules about what God like and did not like even though does rules did not come from God but of them themselves that is where that precious Bible verse you use to prove the Bible wrong goes here.
    Why did God become human? Because He loves us, yeah He tried so many different ways to show it but evil and sin is so penetrated in our hearts that God Himself had to come down to show us that and that we need to repent and give our hearts to Him. He tried through the law but He knew we werent going to follow it, so why did He put it? So that it can be a reflection to us that we have sinned and need to ask for forgiveness. But us humans are so stubborned that we don’t get the point so the Father decided to give His Son Jesus to come down and pay the debt of sin which is death and that is exactly what Jesus did, He paid it with death but defeated death and is now up there with the Father and now we have the Holy Spirit to guide us and remind us of what Jesus did for us and why we need Him. Plus He Himself said it was necessary for Him to die in order for us or whoever belives in Him can receive the Holy Spirit aka the Promise. The fact is my friend He loves you no matter what cruel things you say about Him. He knew that the Jews were not going to accept Him so He actually came for the world (Matthew 10:18). He knew the hearts of the Jews aswell as the gentiles, us, and He knew that the gentiles had great faith and where going to be the ones that would accept Him. But He also knew that the deciples where going to accept Him and carry out the Gospel all over the world including the apostle Paul aka Saul. By the way He killed Jews cause he thought that they were blaspheming against God until he himself was overwhelmed by the glorious resurrected Jesus, later on he was taught evereything by the Spirit of God which is why he knew so much without seeing or knowing Jesus physically but his spirit was connected to God’s the same way anyone who wants to have that relationship but first we must be cleansed through the blood of Jesus and give our hearts to Him so than He can change them and renew our minds, the same way Saul did. So the reality is that He came for the world and not just for the Jews (Matthew 9:12-13, Isaiah 42:4, Matthew 12:21) Also Jesus did say He was going to be with us forever because He is not dead He is alive and He has been alive since the creation, because He is God. And the Bible is written by God and His disciples did write the New Testament through the revelations they were receiving by the Holy Spirit. The Bible itself answers the question of who wrote the Bible 2Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:20-21 and here are some facts to prove it:
    God does not leave us with just claims of His divine handiwork in the Bible, but also supports it with compelling evidence. The design of the Bible itself is a miracle. Written over more than 1,500 years by vastly different writers, yet every book in the Bible is consistent in its message. These 66 books talk about history, prophecy, poetry, and theology. Despite their complexity, differences in writing styles and vast time periods, the books of the Bible agree miraculously well in theme, facts and cross-referencing. No human beings could have planned such an intricate combination of books over a 1,500-year time span. Bible manuscripts (remember, there were no printing presses until 1455) have survived despite weather, persecution and time. Most ancient writings written on weak materials like papyrus have vanished all together. Yet many copies of the Old Testament scriptures survived. For instance, the Dead Sea Scrolls contain all books of the Old Testament, except Esther, and have been dated to before the time of Christ. Consider Julius Caesar’s Gallic Wars. Only ten copies written about 1,000 years after the event are in existence. In comparison, there are over 24,000+ New Testament manuscripts, the earliest one dating to within 24 years after Christ.

    The Bible also validates its divine authorship through fulfilled prophecies. An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled and none have ever been proven false (three are unconfirmed). An honest study of biblical prophecy will compellingly show the divine authorship of the Bible. Further, archeology confirms (or in some cases supports) accounts in the biblical record. No other holy book comes close to the Bible in the amount of evidence supporting its divine authorship.

    I tell you the only truth is found in Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. I chose to follow Jesus because He was the sacrifice necessary to clean my sins, and know I am free from sin and religious lawas and all I have to do is follow Him and do the will of the Fathere and be guided and taught by the Holy Spirit the way the Apostle Paul was, and i know my salvation is secure because that is what Jesus said, “I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” – John 6:51
    Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life”
    Jonh 6:53-54

    As for the Bible verse in Matthew 28:18-20 Jesus was talking about His authority over heaven and the earth and He wasn’t dead because when He said this, it was after His ressurection in complete physical and spritual form. As for John 18:36 Jesus was talkin to Pilate because Pilate had asked Him if He was the king of the Jews. “Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?” “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?” Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.” “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of the truth listens to me.” “What is truth?” Pilate asked. With this he went out again to the Jews and said, “I find no basis for a change against him.”” – Jonh 18:33-38
    There is absolutely no contradictions to this two verses because Jesus did declair to have authority and that He is the King.

    One last thing, how can allah bring us salvation when he leads his own people astray. There are about 20 passages in the Quoran in where allah leads men astray. How can I also trust him if he himself brings about good and evil? Suras 32:13, Sura 113:1-2
    So allah can choose good but he can just as easily choose evil. He can choose mercy, bu he might just as easily choose severity. He could choose love, but he could just as easily choose hate. Sura 11:118-19, Sura 2:135, 3:31, 19:96, 3:140
    My God loves those who love Him aswell as those who hate Him. 1 John 4:16, 4:8
    Abdiyah Akbar AbdulHaqq observes, “Even if a preson desires to choose Allah’s guidance, he cannot do so without the prior choice of Allah in favor of his free choice.”
    My God doesn’t do any of this and He lets us have a choice, to follow Him or not, and He doesn’t have to approve it.
    Plus the prophet Muhammad himself was unsure about his salvation (Hadith 5:266) and if he wasn’t sure how can any muslim be sure?
    No, dude, my God the God of Israel has always wanted to reveal Himself not just to the Jews but to the entire world and we see this throught the Bible, i think you should like re read it. This is how Faisal Malick puts it: Abraham had no children and God promised he would have seed to fulfill the promise of God. Right from the beginning, God’s intention in separating a Jewish people was to eventually bless the families of the earth. God’s long-term plan was for the Gentiles to come into the Kingdom in due order. “In Isaac shall thy seed be called” (Gen. 21:12) was the promise of God to Abraham and likewise to Isaac concering Jacob. Then Jacob became Israel, the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. In essence, Bod separated a people unto Himself so that, through their seed, He could bless the rest of the peoples of the earth. For centuries there were two groups of people on the earth, Jews and Gentiles. The Jews were blessed and partakers of God’s covenant. The Gentiles were strangers to the covenants and promise of Israel, without God in the earth (see Ephesians 2:12). On the Cross, God took away the middle wall of partition between the Jew and Gentile, allowing all who would believe on Jesus to become one Body in Christ Jesus. This group is made of all humankind, Jews and Gentiles (nations) alike, transformed into a new creature in Christ Jesus who is Messiah to the Jew, Savior to the world, and Lord to the Church. We are stones fitly joined toghether into one Body of the Lord.
    Ok with that being said please don’t tell me that allah are for the Gentiles because God Himself has used Gentiles of His Kingdom.

    P.S. That Bible verse you use to try to prove the Bible wrong is a very good example of the false prophets back than and today. There is something related to that and Jesus taught it because there had been false prophets before and will continue later after Him. Unfotunately there was a prophet that rose thinking he was doing God’s work but instead it ended up being the devils. He has deceived millions of people, in whom you are both enslaved to. That is why you neither want to see or hear, and because your afraid of the truth. Well, until you decide, to finally hear and see, sadly you will still be in chains and enslaved instead of free, free to truly worship the living God. Well no matter what I still wish you buys the best in your life. I am happy and loved by Jesus the one that set my life free.
    Oh, and in order to understand God and what He did with Jesus you must first go to Him in simple faith. You will never be able to approach Him or His word (the Bible) with your own knowledge. Why? Because the wisdom and knowledge of the Lord is beyond what we can understand. For example you guys cannot understand the Bible so you cannot understand God. It is by faith that we go to Him and then our brain will follow so later it can back up your faith. (read Hebrews 11:1 and Romans 12:2) Your spirit not your soul (cuz we have both) will always be drawn by the truth which the truth can only be found through having faith in Jesus Christ. Love you and have a nice rest of your life.

  18. Posted June 10, 2008 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    HI JENNY

    Jenny be honest and tell me if I or You call a Human being a PIG AND A DOG – IS IT O.K —- IS IT O.K TO CALL GENTILES PIG AND DOGS ACCORDING TO YOU ? – BY JESUS SO AS JESUS WANTED TO PROVE SOMETHING TO THE CHILDREN OF GOD THE JEWS ???——- PLEASE WHERE IS YOUR SELF RESPECT AND DIGNITY !!!

    AND WHAT KIND OF MORALS WAS JESUS SETTING ANY WAY !!! – PLEASE IT CANT GET WORSE THAN THIS !!!

    WE HAVE CLEARLY SEEN JESUS IN HIS LIFE HAS REFUSED TO THROW BREAD TO SWINES AND DOGS LIKE YOU AND ME , AND HE CLEARLY REFUSED TO PREACH THE MESSAGE OF GOD TO THE GENTILES , JESUS ALSO FORBADE HIS DISCIPLES TO PREACH TO GENTILES , AND HE CLEARLY SAID HE WAS SENT ONLY FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL !!!

    AND ONE FINE DAY AFTER HIS SUPPOSED DEATH HE IS SEEN PROCLAIMING TO HIS DISCIPLES THAT GO AND PREACH TO GENTILES PIGS AND DOGS , IT IS O.K NOW TO THROW THE PEARLS TO THE PIGS AND DOG GENTILES ????????????????????????????

    AS WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT JESUS WAS LYING ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE , EITHER THE FIRST TIME OR IN THE SECOND SUPPOSED VISION OF JESUS PROCLAIMING HIS DISCIPLE TO THROW THE BREAD TO THE GENTILE DOGS AND THROW THE PEARLS TO THE SWINE AND DOG GENTILES ???

    OR THE THIRD REASON COULD BE SIMPLY JESUS DID NOT KNOW HIS MISSION OR WAS MAN BELOW HIS WORTH , WHEN HE COULD NOT EVEN DECIDE TO WHOM HE WAS SENT TO PREACH BY GOD ???

    MAKING A MOCKERY OF HIMSELF AND HIS DISCIPLES GIVING STATEMENTS WHICH PROVE EITHER JESUS OR HIS DISCIPLES TO BE LIARS IN THE HIGHEST DEGREE PLAYING JOKES WITH THE WORDS OF GOD , WHO SAW THE SUPPOSED VISION OF THE CHRIST TELLING THEM NOW IT IS O.K TO THROW THE PEARLS TO THE SWINES AND DOGS THE GENTILES BUT PREVIOUSLY IT WAS NOT O.K BUT NOW IT IS O.K ??????

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

    PLEASE SEE THE FACTS THE BIBLE IS NOT THE TRUE WORD OF JESUS (P) IT IS KNOWN FACT THAT BIBLE WAS NOT EVEN WRITTEN BY DISCIPLES OF JESUS WHO SAW HIM , BUT IS IT WRITTEN BY SOME UNKNOWN DUBIOUS PERSONS — THAT IS WHY WE SEE THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JOHN , LUKE ETC ETC INSTEAD OF THE GOSPEL OF LUKE , OR THE GOSPEL OF JOHN ETC ETC ——- OF COURSE THE GOSPEL OF JESUS OR AT LEAST THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS IS A DREAM THAT NEVER EVER MATERIALIZED , AND WILL NEVER MATERIALIZE IN CHRISTIANITY ———- PLEASE WAKE UP AND SEE THE FACTS .
    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

    AS FOR QURAN AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD BEING FALSE PRODUCE YOUR PROOF WHICH YOU HAVEN’T DONE .

    I HAVE CLEARLY PRODUCED PROOF FROM YOUR VERY OWN BIBLE THAT IS IS CORRUPT AND FALSE
    AT LEAST A GOOD PART OF BIBLE IS FALSE SO SUCH BOOK STANDS NO CHANCE AGAINST THE HOLY QURAN .

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

  19. Mark Parker
    Posted June 11, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Sufi,
    ‘PLEASE IT CANT GET WORSE THAN THIS !!!’ Really? Tell me what kind of God or person would command one of his most loyal followers to sacrifice one of his beloved sons as a sin offering?

    Genesis 22:
    2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

    To Abraham this would, to say the least, be an impossible request, human sacrifice is what he despised about the Idol Gods worshiped by the Chaldeans. But obviously it was a command from a source he absolutely knew and trusted. Would he have even contemplated it if he were the least doubtful of the source of the command, absolutely not! So he set out to obey what he knew was the Lord’s command, not withstanding, it was not what he wanted to do.

    Now this command did come from the true God, and it was given for two reasons;

    (1)It was a test to measure the faith of Abraham, so God could bless him;

    Gen 22;
    15 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
    16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
    17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
    18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

    Why did God provide that particular test Why not something else?

    (2) It was importantly also a way of teaching about the sacrifice for sin, God the Father himself would actually make, this was directed at Abraham and also at you and I Sufi;

    John 3;
    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Why was Abraham commanded to take his son all the way to the land of Moriah to make the sacrifice?
    Because that is Jerusalem, where the Lamb of God would be sacrificed for sin.

    1 John 2;
    2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    Sufi wrote:
    ‘WE HAVE CLEARLY SEEN JESUS IN HIS LIFE HAS REFUSED TO THROW BREAD TO SWINES AND DOGS LIKE YOU AND ME , AND HE CLEARLY REFUSED TO PREACH THE MESSAGE OF GOD TO THE GENTILES , JESUS ALSO FORBADE HIS DISCIPLES TO PREACH TO GENTILES , AND HE CLEARLY SAID HE WAS SENT ONLY FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL !!!
    AND ONE FINE DAY AFTER HIS SUPPOSED DEATH HE IS SEEN PROCLAIMING TO HIS DISCIPLES THAT GO AND PREACH TO GENTILES PIGS AND DOGS , IT IS O.K NOW TO THROW THE PEARLS TO THE PIGS AND DOG GENTILES ????????????????????????????
    AS WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT JESUS WAS LYING ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE , EITHER THE FIRST TIME OR IN THE SECOND SUPPOSED VISION OF JESUS PROCLAIMING HIS DISCIPLE TO THROW THE BREAD TO THE GENTILE DOGS AND THROW THE PEARLS TO THE SWINE AND DOG GENTILES ?’

    Sufi read the blessing given to Abraham;
    ‘18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.’

    You are correct to say Christ was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, it was part of fulfilling that promise which had gone through Isaac;

    Gen 17;
    19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
    20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
    21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

    If Christ had gone straight to the gentiles this promise to Abraham would have been broken.

    Didn’t Christ teach;

    Luke 10;
    13 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

    So it would seem Christ thought the gentiles of these cities, regarded as sinful by the Jews, better candidates for the Gospel of repentance and entry to the kingdom of God than the inhabitants of the Jewish cities he first named.

    Why did he speak in such an offensive way to the Gentile woman?
    She only desired a blessing for her daughter.
    Can you not see this is in likeness to Abraham’s test of faith?
    Do you understand what it would be like being treated as a second class person all your life, despised only because of birth? Now this woman like Abraham knew who it was she approached, and he spoke to her in a cruel way, yet she did not take offence as many would, because she had faith in he whom she knew was sent from God.
    Then you see the result, Christ was able to bless her.

    In light of all that Christ is recorded as teaching your appraisal of his character from this incident is not justifiable. I’ve watched a few of the videos you have here and the speakers speak well of the teachings of Christ as does your Prophet.

  20. Posted June 13, 2008 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    Hi

    Mark

    I can see you have a mystical tendency in approach to God and Religion , and it is a good thing , but one has to be careful till what length would one go to make God literally into a Human, Abraham was a Prophet and God is God not Abraham to do the same thing as Abraham (p)

    Would God do filthy things like beget a son ? have a wife who would be mother of his son ? and in the end this supposed God will also die like Prophet Abraham one day ?

    Mark I am a Mystic Sufi but I know the boundary between man and God in my enthusiasm’s for mysticism I dare not make God literally into a human being eating , drinking , having sex and eventually dying or being crucified one day by a bunch of humans ?

    The promise is made in Ishmael as Prophet Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael and he came as an universal messenger for all the worlds , the promise was not made in Issac as Jesus clearly said I am but sent only to the lost sheep of Israel and he also clearly said go not unto gentiles (pigs and dogs) but to the lost sheep of Israel .

    PS ; I know Jesus is a Great Prophet and he would never use such filthy language like an uncultered barbarian , but it your very own Holy Bible quotes Jesus having called gentiles as Pigs, Dogs and not me so don’t get biased against against me for quoting your very own Holy Bible !!!

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

    Whoever insist that the promise is made in Issac makes a mockery of Bible by giving self contradictory statements from it , in a lay mans terms is plainly lying – him or the Bible .

    “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”

  21. Mark Parker
    Posted June 13, 2008 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Hi Sufi,
    this isn’t exactly about the subject of this post, I’ve made quite a few comments on it and explained my understanding already here and in other places. At the same time I’ve learned a little about Islam and the Prophet Muhammad, and noticed striking similarities to my own Faith. There is a variation regarding Christ and his role and I cannot say I know why that is, or when that happened.

    While reading about Muhammad on Wikipedia, I was surprised to noticed a reference to my faith in a little section toward the end of the article, and thought you might like to see it.
    Also a full church magazine article I just found is in the following link, which is more specifically about Islam and Muhammad:

    This is from Wikipedia:

    ‘The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints considers Muhammad, along with Confucius, the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, to have received a portion of God’s light and that moral truths were given to them to enlighten nations and bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.’

    This is the magazine article; I found it very interesting to read what modern Christian Apostles and Prophets, (early 19th Century to now) had to say about Muhammad:

    http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=bbaba1615ac0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

  22. Posted June 13, 2008 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Hi

    Mark

    Thanks

    The link you provided is very interesting indeed , I guess the Mormons and Muslims have More to agree with each other than disagree .

    I can see that Mormons are emerging as the true Christians, honest in their approach to Christ and other Abrahamic monotheistic religions such as Islam .

  23. Genevieve
    Posted January 6, 2009 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    so you all want to know who the real God is and which Jesus is the real Jesus?
    check this out than all you who truly seek the truth, click on the program called: Releasing God’s Will Through the Tongues of Men & Angels- and watch it here is the link
    http://www.voe.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=52

    or there are some books two good ones are The Case for the Real Jesus by Lee Strobel and Jesus And Muhammad by Mark A. Gabriel, PhD and this guy grew up as a devout Muslim in Egypt. went on to earn a doctrate in Islamic Studies and taught at Al-Azhar University in Cairo-as you know the most prestigious Islamic University in the world, u can read his story in Jesus and Muhammad and then see what he has to say about the two and what path he took: to trust the God of Jews and christians or the God of Islam. check it out for yourself.


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