Did Jesus Want To Die For Us ?

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  1. Mark Parker
    Posted May 29, 2008 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    It’s pretty obvious in the following scripture that Jesus is Prophesying of his death, and also of the power he has; which is all power in Heaven and in Earth.
    Luke 20;
    9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.
    10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty.
    11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty.
    12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.
    13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.
    14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.
    15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them?
    16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.
    17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?
    18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
    19 And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.

    The thing is, although you understand many things well, you do not have a full grasp of what God is doing.
    Moses 1;
    39 For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

    You also interpret the scriptures to suit your doctrine, and they don’t fit, therefore you say they are greatly flawed or that certain Apostles and Prophets testimonies are false. When all the while the Holy Ghost will testify of their truth to an honest seeker. On top of that there are more witness’s testimonies confirming the resurrection of Christ. You can find these in The Book of Mormon, and the Testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith.
    It’s not that I’m saying you are not an honest seeker of God but that there is a key thing that you need; please consider this; God has all power, you do believe this? And he has the power to communicate with you or I if he so desires, you believe this also? Then why not rely on him to confirm what is the truth? His work and his glory is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man, therefore when his children seek him out in all diligence and sincerity seeking after those blessings, he has a lively interest, and loving desire to help and guide them.

    These are key scriptures;
    Acts 5;
    32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
    John 15;
    26 But when the Comforter (The Holy Ghost)is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

    Hebrews 10;
    15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us:

    Toward the end of the Book of Mormon it explains more; this is in relation to gaining personal knowledge from God of weather or not The Book of Mormon is true.

    Moroni 10;
    4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
    5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
    6 And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is.
    7 And ye may know that he is, by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I would exhort you that ye deny not the power of God; for he worketh by power, according to the faith of the children of men, the same today and tomorrow, and forever.

  2. Posted May 29, 2008 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    MARK PARKER SAID

    It’s pretty obvious in the following scripture that Jesus is Prophesying of his death, and also of the power he has; which is all power in Heaven and in Earth.
    Luke 20;
    9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time.
    10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty.
    11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty.
    12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out.
    13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.
    14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours.
    15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them?
    16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid.
    17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?
    18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
    19 And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.

    The thing is, although you understand many things well, you do not have a full grasp of what God is doing.
    Moses 1;
    39 For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

    You also interpret the scriptures to suit your doctrine, and they don’t fit, therefore you say they are greatly flawed or that certain Apostles and Prophets testimonies are false. When all the while the Holy Ghost will testify of their truth to an honest seeker. On top of that there are more witness’s testimonies confirming the resurrection of Christ. You can find these in The Book of Mormon, and the Testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith.
    It’s not that I’m saying you are not an honest seeker of God but that there is a key thing that you need; please consider this; God has all power, you do believe this? And he has the power to communicate with you or I if he so desires, you believe this also? Then why not rely on him to confirm what is the truth? His work and his glory is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man, therefore when his children seek him out in all diligence and sincerity seeking after those blessings, he has a lively interest, and loving desire to help and guide them.

    These are key scriptures;
    Acts 5;
    32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
    John 15;
    26 But when the Comforter (The Holy Ghost)is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

    Hebrews 10;
    15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us:

    Toward the end of the Book of Mormon it explains more; this is in relation to gaining personal knowledge from God of weather or not The Book of Mormon is true.

    Moroni 10;
    4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
    5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
    6 And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is.
    7 And ye may know that he is, by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I would exhort you that ye deny not the power of God; for he worketh by power, according to the faith of the children of men, the same today and tomorrow, and forever.

    MY REPLY :

    HI MARK PARKER
    CAN YOU KINDLY EXPLAIN TO ME HOW JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED WHEN HE CLEARLY TOLD THE BELOW

    “. . . An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign (miracle), and there shall no sign (miracle) be given to it, but the sign (miracle) of the prophet, Jonah.”
    Matthew 12:39
    What was the “sign” or the miracle that Jonah performed that Jesus now proposes to emulate?

    That he was ALIVE in the belly of the whale.

    “How was Jonah in the whale’s belly for three days and three nights — Dead or Alive? The Muslims, the Christians and the Jews again give a unanimous verdict of A-L-1-V-E! How was Jesus in the tomb, for the same period of time – Dead or Alive? Over a thousand million Christians, of every church or Denomination give a unanimous verdict of D-E-A-D! Is that like Jonah or un-like Jonah in your language? And everyone whose mind is not confused, says that, that is very UN-LIKE Jonah. Jesus said that he would be “LIKE JONAH” and his infatuated followers say that he was “UN-LIKE JONAH!”. Who is lying – Jesus or his followers? I leave the answer to you!”

  3. Posted May 29, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    “If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain.”
    1 Corinthians 15:14

    I GUESS THIS THE END OF CHRISTIANITY AS AN COMPLETE FAITH AS WHOLE

  4. Mark Parker
    Posted May 30, 2008 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Hi Sufi,
    ‘For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.’

    That’s all it says, how can you use this statement as evidence that Christ was not crucified, didn’t died, and was not raised from the dead in the resurrection?
    You are saying Matthew was a reliable witness about Jonas? To which you, or at least people on whom you rely, apply flawed reasoning pretending that it means Christ didn’t die, and therefore wasn’t resurrected, even though the same Matthew states that Christ did die, and not only that, but that he predicted it, telling them before hand that he must die ‘to give his life a ransom for many’ and that he should ‘be raised again the third day’ from the dead.
    Just as Jonas was raised the third day alive from the belly of the fish, both emerged miraculously alive when both really should have been dead; that’s the actual sign.
    Christ said ‘An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas’
    This was fulfilled when; ‘some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. (Being that an angel of glory had rolled away the stone from the tomb and then sat upon it, and that Christ had risen)
    12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
    13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.’

    These are relevant quotes from Matthew’s testimony:

    Matt 3;
    17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
    Matt 16;
    21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
    Matt 17;
    9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
    Matt 20;
    17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them,
    18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
    19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
    Matt 20;
    28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
    Matt 27;
    35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
    Matt 28;
    1 ..IN the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
    2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
    3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
    4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
    5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
    6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
    Matt 28;
    16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
    17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
    18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    Even this Psalm for-tells the Lord’s crucifixion;
    22;
    16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

    Zechariah 12;
    10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
    Zechariah 13;
    6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
    The testimony of witnesses is much more reliable than men’s understanding and interpretations, that’s why I encourage you to ask God according to the above quote from the Book of Mormon, test the Book of Mormon and see if God will not confirm the truth of it to you by the Holy Ghost. It’s between the individual and God, the only way you can know him is the same way Abraham came to know God, by seeking him out personally.

  5. Posted May 30, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    MY REPLY TO THE ABOVE STATEMENT OF MARK PARKER

    Hi Mark Parker either Jesus was lying when he gave sing of Jonah or Mathew was Lying when he wrote Jesus would be Killed and Not Killed both contradictory statements .
    “. . . An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign (miracle), and there shall no sign (miracle) be given to it, but the sign (miracle) of the prophet, Jonah.”
    Matthew 12:39
    What was the “sign” or the miracle that Jonah performed that Jesus now proposes to emulate?

    That he was ALIVE in the belly of the whale.

    Either way Christianity has been disproved 100%

    “If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain.”
    1 Corinthians 15:14

    I GUESS THIS THE END OF CHRISTIANITY AS AN COMPLETE FAITH AS WHOLE


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